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slydeni 10-11-2005 02:48 AM

An AK challenge ---
 
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

BB ($76.95)
UTG ($52.35)
UTG+1 ($50)
UTG+2 ($24.80)
MP1 ($43.95)
MP2 ($51)
MP3 ($69.20)
CO ($9.25)
Hero ($25.55)
SB ($26.60)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, SB (poster) calls $2.75, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $27</font>, MP2 folds, Hero folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: $34

with no reads...am I supposed to gamble here?

sly

xorbie 10-11-2005 02:52 AM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
No. You're supposed to fold.

RIDGE45 10-11-2005 02:58 AM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
This looks like the classic limp big pair UTG and then reraise big after someone raises. Fold this with no read.

Allinlife 10-11-2005 03:00 AM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
he's raise like "i have group 1"

you are like 'aks is only fav over AQ(rather unlikely) and either coinflip or 2:1/4:1 underdog to AK/AA'.

and given pot odds, you say "ok that is a bad gamble", and click the fold button.

Lucky 10-11-2005 03:05 AM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
This guy has you beat. It's not bad to raise allin PF at times with slick, you dont want to find yourself calling with it.

For instance if loose clown make it 4bb in EP and gets like 5 callers, thats a decent time.

Bukem_ 10-11-2005 03:08 AM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
The AK challenge only occurs vs donkeys that you have a read on. No reads its a pretty easy fold.

boondockst 10-11-2005 05:22 AM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
I don't agree here.

You have no read and there's more than enough dead money in the pot to justify a call. Go with your instinct. There's no way i'd lay this down, especially at NL50

whittiphil 10-11-2005 05:50 AM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
I'd fold with his stack that big.

If his stack was 20BB, I think that's an easy allin, anyone else agree/disagree? Am I stupid for factoring in his stack size when it's all going in preflop?

fuzzbox 10-11-2005 06:29 AM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
Nope, you wait to see him do it 5 more times in quick succession, and then you gamble the next time.

Morrek 10-11-2005 07:55 AM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
Exactly, with a decent "idiot/maniac preflop" read I'd gamble but vs unknown or semi-good/tight player no way.

boondockst 10-11-2005 05:19 PM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
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I'd fold with his stack that big.

If his stack was 20BB, I think that's an easy allin, anyone else agree/disagree? Am I stupid for factoring in his stack size when it's all going in preflop?

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Yes...It's not about stack size, it's about pot equity. Against an unknown even a hand like KJ has surprising equity.

amoeba 10-11-2005 05:29 PM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
against limp reraise this is easy easy fold with no reads.

TheRegulat0r 10-11-2005 05:30 PM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
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Yes...It's not about stack size, it's about pot equity. Against an unknown even a hand like KJ has surprising equity.

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When you said equity you meant likelihood to be dominated, right?

I fold AK against an unknown without much consideration.

amoeba 10-11-2005 05:33 PM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
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I don't agree here.

You have no read and there's more than enough dead money in the pot to justify a call. Go with your instinct. There's no way i'd lay this down, especially at NL50

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your instinct tells you a limp reraise at this level is usually not AA/KK?

10-11-2005 05:55 PM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
In this situation, instafold without a second thought.

boondockst 10-11-2005 05:57 PM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
Shame on all of you.

My replies should be obvious sarcasm.

How, I wonder is someone playing at NL50 (when there is NL2, NL5, NL 10 and always NL25 available) without knowing this situation?

elus2 10-11-2005 06:08 PM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
i'd call short stacked donks with up to 20bb's.

Bco1/75 10-11-2005 06:10 PM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
Looks like the typical AA-KK move in an early position. Straight from the book.....I fold and wait for a better chance to take his money.

Bco1/75 10-11-2005 06:15 PM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
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Shame on all of you.

My replies should be obvious sarcasm.

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Good, I was getting ready to ask what your screen name is and what site you play on.....

boondockst 10-11-2005 07:02 PM

Re: An AK challenge ---
 
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I fold and choose not to get my money in as a probable 13 to 1 dog.

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FYP


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