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Spook 05-29-2005 05:23 PM

small flush out of position.
 
PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (5 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $3.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP (poster) checks, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (4 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: (2 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, MP folds.

River: (7 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB

wrto4556 05-29-2005 05:28 PM

Re: small flush out of position.
 
bet the flop. Free cards suck.

3-bet the turn.

StellarWind 05-29-2005 05:33 PM

Re: small flush out of position.
 
I would lead this flop. Going for the checkraise with no idea who will bet is risky. Note that if a big club bets from the button you've really messed it up. You don't want to get heads up with the only hand that can beat you.

3-bet the turn. It's too soon to be thinking about a better flush.

Spook 05-29-2005 05:37 PM

Re: small flush out of position.
 
I was hoping to check raise the flop (obvoiusly).
Is the pot big enough that a small bet will scare anyone off, and conversly is the pot big enough that I have to try to win it without a free card.

Can I fold to a turn cap? Or do I have to call it down. Villian is loose and agressive postflop.

edit: i hope that a player with top pair will bet out to protect.

marand 05-29-2005 05:58 PM

Re: small flush out of position.
 
I would usually bet the flop, but I don't think check/raising is bad in the right conditions. (Aggro guy behind you.)

You should 3-bet the turn and no you can't fold to a cap. I would call down if capped on the turn.

clownshoes 05-29-2005 06:23 PM

Re: small flush out of position.
 
Definitely have to bet the flop, no one raised PF so you shouldnt think that someone will speak up for you. You just risk too much money doing so. Also, 3-bet the turn.

krishanleong 05-29-2005 06:25 PM

Re: small flush out of position.
 
I don't mind a flop lead or a flop check. Actually I prefer a flop lead. So many people will raise for a free card and I love to 3-bet.

Not 3-betting the turn is really really really bad. No you can't fold flushes anywhere.

Not 3-betting the river given that you didn't 3-bet the turn is also really really bad.

Krishan

Surfbullet 05-29-2005 06:35 PM

Re: small flush out of position.
 
Bet the flop - free cards are bad for your baby flush and you have no idea who to expect a bet from, aside from the Button being LAGy and you don't want to c/r him.

3bet the turn. Given that you didn't, 3bet the river.

Surf

Spook 05-29-2005 06:42 PM

Re: small flush out of position.
 
I had trouble three betting because of the raise when the five hit and I had one in hand. Which means he can't have hit a set or two pair on the turn (what would he have called preflop with?), and if he had it on the flop, he would not have let a free card hit.
So he either has a flush or Ac (maybe Qc or even JcTx). There is value to 3 betting if he has a single club 80% of the time, but if he has a flush then I am lossing an extra bet. I thought it was an equal chance of either, and thus a lossing fraction of a bet in the long run. As I am either way behind or only slightly ahead.
When the Ace hits the river, either he has a flush, or he paired the ace. I have to bet this because I don't know if he will bet with the Ac. Raise should tell me he has a flush, but with even a 20% chance of him having an ace, I have to call.

but I should have lead the flop

krishanleong 05-29-2005 07:17 PM

Re: small flush out of position.
 
[ QUOTE ]
There is value to 3 betting if he has a single club 80% of the time

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As I am either way behind or only slightly ahead.

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80% is not slightly ahead. It's way way ahead. Hugely ahead. It's a massive edge.

Krishan


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