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Bill Smith 12-05-2005 11:27 AM

Specific preflop plays
 
I see a lot of incongruity among posts and posters on how these are played.

Assume that one of the limpers is a loose but somewhat decent player who plays well postflop. Any other limpers are loose passive and bad. Also assume blinds are loose and that BB will call a raise approx. 75% of the time to see a flop.

TakeMeToTheRiver 12-05-2005 12:12 PM

Re: Specific preflop plays
 
OK, who is folding ATo on the button with three limpers? 'Splain yourself.

12-05-2005 12:27 PM

Re: Specific preflop plays
 
I really hate KTo. Can somebody convince me to play this?

krimson 12-05-2005 12:41 PM

Re: Specific preflop plays
 
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I really hate KTo. Can somebody convince me to play this?

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Loose passive limpers usually have worse hands than us. We have a good shot at making top pair. Don't play it if your not comfortable with the post-flop play, and dealing with possible domination.

jat850 12-05-2005 01:38 PM

Don\'t hate-evaluate
 
Generic hatred of KTo? You made no mention of your position or who you are playing against. I find KTo to be very playable against typical LAP tables, particularly from later positions. Since I play live, I do not have poker stats to back my feel, but I would play it all night to see the flop. OF course, after the flop, there could be lots of reasons to fold, but I think seeing the flop with those cards will be EV+ against all but Rock or TAG dominated tables.

DarkForceRising 12-05-2005 01:49 PM

Re: Specific preflop plays
 
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I really hate KTo. Can somebody convince me to play this?

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Sure, if you enjoy the aggravation of burning up chips when you hit against the passive limper who doesn't raise with A 10, KJ and KQ. Miniscule ev at best- not worth getting into trouble over IMO.

12-05-2005 01:56 PM

Re: Don\'t hate-evaluate
 
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You made no mention of your position or who you are playing against.

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Assume that one of the limpers is a loose but somewhat decent player who plays well postflop. Any other limpers are loose passive and bad. Also assume blinds are loose and that BB will call a raise approx. 75% of the time to see a flop.
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KTo in MP3 after 2 limpers.
KTo in MP3 after 3 limpers.

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It was actually the mention of the one solid postflop player that changed my call to a fold.

shark6 12-05-2005 01:58 PM

Re: Specific preflop plays
 
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Miniscule ev at best- not worth getting into trouble over IMO.

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If you try to play this in MP, I'd add it's -EV if/when it gets raised behind you.

krimson 12-05-2005 02:01 PM

Re: Don\'t hate-evaluate
 
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You made no mention of your position or who you are playing against.

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Assume that one of the limpers is a loose but somewhat decent player who plays well postflop. Any other limpers are loose passive and bad. Also assume blinds are loose and that BB will call a raise approx. 75% of the time to see a flop.
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KTo in MP3 after 2 limpers.
KTo in MP3 after 3 limpers.

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It was actually the mention of the one solid postflop player that changed my call to a fold.

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I interpreted the read differently. "A loose but somewhat decent player". I think i'm still ahead of his range, and playing better post-flop.

Some information is missing here. Who limped first, what position did they limp from?

Put the "loose but decent" player UTG limping in first, and I will fold KTo. If he's limping in MP behind a fish, then I call.

12-05-2005 02:03 PM

Re: Don\'t hate-evaluate
 
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Put the "loose but decent" player UTG limping in first, and I will fold KTo. If he's limping in MP behind a fish, then I call.

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I could agree with this, but I still probably don't do it unless I'm feeling good.


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