Deep stack games in Vegas
 

Alright, so I'm turning 21 on Wednesday. On Thursday morning I'm going to Vegas.

I'm probably going to be bringing about 15k and am most interested in playing any kind of no capped buy in games.

I've heard the Wynn has a 1/2 no cap game, but I also heard that it's a nit fest (although since it'll be the New Year I'm sure there'll be some gambooolers).

I'm looking to play anything from 1/2-5/10 (Maybe 10/20 if the game is particularly juicy, although I have not played that big yet).

I'm also bringing two friends (who I'll probably roll for a few hundred each...they know how to play but they are 'normal' college students) and I want them to have a good time, and be able to play in some good 1/2 nl capped games. Or less if that's available.


Can someone give me a casino/cardroom or two in Vegas that would fit these requirements?

Help much appreciated!!!

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The Wynn has 1/3, 2/5 and 5/10 that are not capped and get a 10/20 going from time to time.

The 1/3 generally doesn't play that deep, most people are buying in for $300, so it should be fine for your friends.

The 2/5 and 5/10 tend to play quite a bit deeper.

The Bell has a 10/20 no cap and capped lower NL.

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the downtown poker rooms do not have max buy-ins on their no limit tables. they all had 1/2nl, and would open a 3/5 if there was interest. That was in July though so i'm not a vegas expert, but i doubt they've changed the no max buy-in.

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So let me get this straight. You are turning 21, are coming to Vegas with 15 large looking to play uncapped high stakes no-limit and you are posting on this message board as to where you should play??

You haven't done your homework junior. You will be eaten alive.

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the 2-5 or 5-10 at the Wynn or the 10-20 at the Bellagio are your best choices for uncapped buyin. stick your friends at the 1-3 at the Wynn. the lower buyin at the bellagio sucks, its 2-5 with 200 min/max buyin.

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i cant tell if i'm laughing with you or at you, but lol.

josh i dont know the answer to the uncapped deal but you have to check out the 2/5 at the mirage, always a great game when i was there though i didn't discover it til late into the trip.

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I will do that, thanks.

It will suck if I get eaten alive, though. I'm borrowing this money from my mom and if I lose it we'll have to sell the house.

I also just bought HEPFAP the other day and have gotten about halfway through it, so I have a feeling I might be able to win in Vegas.

Just check-raise flops with draws so you can see a free showdown...

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Thanks, Percula.

Bugstud just told me about the Wynn, and I'm pretty pumped about playing in their 5/10 game now.

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Seeing how I do at the Wynn I definitely want to check out Bellagio, too.

Maybe I'll stick my friends at the limit games. Is 2/4 the lowest they spread in Vegas?

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Thanks, Percula.

Bugstud just told me about the Wynn, and I'm pretty pumped about playing in their 5/10 game now.

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There you go bro. Just buy in for 15 dimes and make it $300 to see any flop and you should be running the table in no time. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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I don't understand why you're insulting me.

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Thanks, Percula.

Bugstud just told me about the Wynn, and I'm pretty pumped about playing in their 5/10 game now.

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See ya in the game!

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You haven't done your homework junior. You will be eaten alive.

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Says the person currently playing the smallest, softest nl game in vegas. Somebody is out of their league and its not Chaos.

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Because you have a 15K bankroll and are ready to play the 5/10nl at the Wynn I fail to see why you need to quiz this board about it.

MrFeelNothin, yes, I must be an idiot for playing the sofest nl game in vegas. What am I thinking?

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what about "I'm bringing 15k with me" brought you to the direct conclusion that his bankroll is 15k? You really are looking like more of an ass with each reply.

I, personally, don't carry hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash when I go to a casino. I dunno, it just feels weird. Usually 15k is plenty to jump into a few 5-10 or 10-25 games, seeing as how I usually win. But I guess you must carry 15k as your bankroll, in order to be able to play the MGM 1/2. I can recommend some poker coaches, if you'd like...

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Ok, this is my last reply because I really don't give a damn about this anyway.

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what about "I'm bringing 15k with me" brought you to the direct conclusion that his bankroll is 15k? You really are looking like more of an ass with each reply.

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Well it might have something to do with the fact that he said he was coming to Vegas to play poker apparently and he was bringing 15K. Now being that I live here, maybe I am confused, but if you come to Vegas from out of town, you bring your bankroll.


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I, personally, don't carry hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash when I go to a casino. I dunno, it just feels weird. Usually 15k is plenty to jump into a few 5-10 or 10-25 games, seeing as how I usually win. But I guess you must carry 15k as your bankroll, in order to be able to play the MGM 1/2. I can recommend some poker coaches, if you'd like...

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No idea where you are going with this rambling. I never said anything about buying into a game for 15K. Why would I bring 15K to play the 1/2nl at MGM when the cap is $200? Who is really sounding like the ass here?

After reading the OP, I was simply curious as to why a 21 year old student who has 15K to bring to Vegas to play high stakes poker, needs to ask this forum where he should play. Seems to me someone of this status and wealth would have a clue already.

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MrFeelNothin, yes, I must be an idiot for playing the sofest nl game in vegas. What am I thinking?

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No, but you are an idiot for attempting to twist my words.

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Ok, this is my last reply because I really don't give a damn about this anyway.

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what about "I'm bringing 15k with me" brought you to the direct conclusion that his bankroll is 15k? You really are looking like more of an ass with each reply.

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Well it might have something to do with the fact that he said he was coming to Vegas to play poker apparently and he was bringing 15K. Now being that I live here, maybe I am confused, but if you come to Vegas from out of town, you bring your bankroll.


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I, personally, don't carry hundreds of thousands of dollars in cash when I go to a casino. I dunno, it just feels weird. Usually 15k is plenty to jump into a few 5-10 or 10-25 games, seeing as how I usually win. But I guess you must carry 15k as your bankroll, in order to be able to play the MGM 1/2. I can recommend some poker coaches, if you'd like...

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No idea where you are going with this rambling. I never said anything about buying into a game for 15K. Why would I bring 15K to play the 1/2nl at MGM when the cap is $200? Who is really sounding like the ass here?

After reading the OP, I was simply curious as to why a 21 year old student who has 15K to bring to Vegas to play high stakes poker, needs to ask this forum where he should play. Seems to me someone of this status and wealth would have a clue already.

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wow, you're an idiot.

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I've heard the Wynn has a 1/2 no cap game, but I also heard that it's a nit fest (although since it'll be the New Year I'm sure there'll be some gambooolers).

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The wynn's no cap small game is 1-3, not 1-2. All their no limit is no cap. However, it usually doesn't make much of a difference, as most people buy in for a reasonable amount of chips. At 1-3 I typically buy up to about $300, at 2-5 up to about $500. I have never had a problem with being outgunned by huge stacks of hundreds, although once in a while there will be a very large stack at the table. Really it's quite pointless to buy in for $5000 when everyone else has $300 or so.

As for the nit factor, sure, play in the middle of the day and you'll find lots of nits. The games range from nit heaven to fish city, you just have to be selective and play at prime times (late night and very early morning).

Another place you might try is the new caesar's room. I'm going to try it for the first time either tonight or tomorrow night, so I can't really comment fully yet, but it should be worth a try.

When MGM's 5-5 game is going it's usually action city. MGM is a great place for small capped buy-in no limit games, perhaps the overall best in the city.

Excal's 1-3 no limit is often very good.

Over the new year weekend everywhere will have great games so there ain't really much to worry about there.

al

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Thank you for your reply. I basically figure that for most no cap games people will usually buy in from 5-200 BBs, but there's always the case of the uber-fish who has more and there's nothing more painful than only being able to eke away 100bbs from his stack when you finally get into a pot with him.

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When MGM's 5-5 game is going it's usually action city. MGM is a great place for small capped buy-in no limit games, perhaps the overall best in the city.

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Did you mean no cap? I haven't heard anything about MGM, although overall I don't like the casino. It's too old school Vegas, and I'm a sucker for the new stuff.

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Your Mom loaned you $15,000 --- you just read a book KIND OF---
you looking for a no max no-limit----
GAS UP THE CAR, BUY SOME CHIPS forthe ride hom BEFORE YOU HIT THAT JUICY GAME------
What is it with this JUICY GAME STUFF----99% of the players have no idea how to play in a JUICY GAME---

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lollerskates. sorry i should have clarified. i was alluding to you being a bad poker player and likely losing 75 buyins in a 200 buyin game. it's a literary device some people like to employ for humor. it's called sarcasm.

go here and look up sarcasm

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It is not a good idea for anyone , no matter the age to bring $15,000 to vegas on their first trip. Bring $2,000, have fun with your friends and scope out the terriory for your next trip.

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Your Mom loaned you $15,000 --- you just read a book KIND OF---
you looking for a no max no-limit----
GAS UP THE CAR, BUY SOME CHIPS forthe ride hom BEFORE YOU HIT THAT JUICY GAME------
What is it with this JUICY GAME STUFF----99% of the players have no idea how to play in a JUICY GAME---

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Hopefully Santa brought you some new batteries for your sarcasm detector.

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It is not a good idea for anyone , no matter the age to bring $15,000 to vegas on their first trip. Bring $2,000, have fun with your friends and scope out the terriory for your next trip.

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He is a winning mid/high stakes online player. He is likely bringing less than 10% of his bankroll. Not too mention it is unlikely he is going "blow" what he brings... afterall the ratio of donks to players is higher. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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The Wynn no cap games and most games in the city have much higher min buys than online.

Wynn:
1-3: $100-no cap
2-5: $200-no cap
5-10: $500-no cap
10-20: $600-no cap
25-50 (VERY rarely goes, went during the series a bunch): $2000-no cap

the 10-20 and 25-50 DO go at Bellagio and they have the same buy-in structure on those games.

As for the players/avg. buyins

Wynn:

1-3: Many of the players in this game are college aged nits. They have no bankroll, but maybe play online and are taking shots, but you can tell they get real upset deep inside when they get stacked if they short-buy the $100 to start. Mayve 3-4 of the 9-10 will buy-in for $100. They are generally nits, but sometimes people who have never played before and are looking for a relatively cheap experience. Almost everyone else buys in for $300. They range from locals, to drunks, to nts, really depends on time of day and day of week. It is usually a loose/passive game and can be crushed easily. You sometimes get 1-2 cowboys on each table who bring $1K-10K. The game can sometimes get deeper on average on certain nights when the smaller stacks are doubling up. Many of the deepstacks do not play them well and I usually try to cover whenever I am in.

2-5: It is much rarer for people to have min buys and much more likely they will have more people with more than $500 as well. The games get can really deep and there are many good young professional players as well as many donks. This is another time of day, day of week, time of season type game.

5-10: The game on average is much less of an action game then it used to be. On weekends it is usually an insanely awesome game. You can usually tell the game is good if there is at least one full must-move. Most of the players in this game are regulars that buy-in from $1K-$6K and a few who buy-in more (like Grant, you will know who I'm talking about, he will make sure of it, commenting on how awesome he is [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] ). For the most part, the regulars aren't anything special. Some are solid, but many are weak/tight or too predictable in another manner once you get to know how they play. There are a few that can be pretty aggressive/tricky. When the game is full of them, it is usually just worth sitting in a different game even though it is generally always beatable. When the game really gets going, there are some semi-regular gambling types that play the game and get the game really damn good. They usually show on weekends in primetime poker hours and you can get a really deep, really good game. They are rarer these days it seems, but kind of making a comeback ever since Wynn introduced tournaments. The weekend tourists or business tourists have wide ranges, but all suck trememdous donkey dick. Many buy-in for $500. You can tell everything about them very quickly and usually they are just suckers that may be wealthy business men or just have enough to put in a game like that. Some of the tourists buy-in for more, some of the wealthy ones too. I've been in a game with Antoine Walker which may have been the best game I have ever sat in. He was about $8K deep. There are times when other celebs show up, but much more so at Bellagio.


Bellagio:
10-20: Almost the exact same description as the 5-10 at the Wynn with a couple of differences. More regulars in this game are not weak/tight or predictable. They are pretty tough players. If you don't see that the game is any good, not worth sitting. The game is usually deeper than $2K a person on average with more $10K+ stacks. You will still get all the things mentioned in the Wynn review. More celebs and other people can really get the game going. I sat with Joe Hachem in this game the other day. He played a solid, but really active style that night. He also talked a lot and told lots of stories/jokes. The table played incredibly loose and fast thanks to him and I got to reep the rewards, especially being on his left and not really having to deal with him. He was a standup guy and from the couple hours that I saw him play, a solid player.

This game gets extra good whenever something like a WPT is at the Bellagio or during the month of March, and other things like that. If there are 6 must-moves, the game will be FANTASTIC.

There are a lot of LAGS, especially if you play soon as the Swedish guys are still here, and the regulars love seeing flops. Just think your moves through and don't do anything extra stupid and it is a fun/profitable game.

25-50: Game is generally deep. Doesn't go too often on non-weekends unless something is going on in town or it is a busy month of the year. There usually is at least one or two really soft spots to make the game worth sitting, but sometimes the game is filled with great whites. I usually try to take advantage on the side in a game like this. Let's say Antonio Esfandiari (who play this regularly) is in. He usually plays fast and can tilt really easily. He may go to war with a certain player and just play crazy (more so in 10-20). Even if he is still play well, I usually gun after the guys that turn really loose/passive or over-agressive trying to snap him off. Lot's of people steam and steam hard at these levels, well all the levels, but more cash here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


BTW, a generally statement on all levels at least in Vegas: Most of the regulars/locals are not winning players. I would say most are breakeven/slighlty loosing players.

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As for the bankroll issue, don't forget to factor in how much you are going to blow on non-poker crap if you are just turning 21 and coming to Vegas. The damn strippers made me a breakeven player my first month. Oh, don't forget non-poker comp drinks as in night clubs. If you decide to go clubbing, except to pay $8+ per shot/beer. I have paid $35 for a regular cocktail. Also, careful with getting drunk and having lots of money on you. Don't do something stupid like spend it all on one session of craps. These are all things I got over BTW [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

I have much better budgetting and no more non-poker gambling.

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Wow I must be trashed, I can't read any of that.

P.S. Yup. I'm trashed.

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Your Mom loaned you $15,000 --- you just read a book KIND OF---
you looking for a no max no-limit----
GAS UP THE CAR, BUY SOME CHIPS forthe ride hom BEFORE YOU HIT THAT JUICY GAME------
What is it with this JUICY GAME STUFF----99% of the players have no idea how to play in a JUICY GAME---

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Hopefully Santa brought you some new batteries for your sarcasm detector.

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LOL !!!!! love it

What kind of limit cash games do they have in Vegas? And what a re the most popular?

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great info thanks

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lollerskates. sorry i should have clarified. i was alluding to you being a bad poker player and likely losing 75 buyins in a 200 buyin game. it's a literary device some people like to employ for humor. it's called sarcasm.

go here and look up sarcasm

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Your post wasn't funny, not in the least. If you have to explain to someone that you were trying to be funny, you weren't.

Also, how would you have any clue as to my playing abilities? You know nothing about me. I also know nothing about the OP, BUT, I was not taking a shot at his playing ability. Only his apparent lack of judgement to come to Vegas for the first time as a 21 year old kid with 15K in his pocket. But, then again, what do I know, I only live and work in this business and see young, know it all, jag-offs who really don't have a clue lose their ass on a daily basis.

But I am sure this guy who has never played live casino poker will own the rooms because he "is a winning mid-high limit online player". [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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hint: there is poker outside of vegas.

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Can you not comprehend that Chaos is a winning high-stakes online player to whom 15K is not a large sum of money? How about the concept of large NL B+M games existing outside Vegas?

Its really too bad that you were lying when you said you weren't going to respond again.

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Can you not comprehend that Chaos is a winning high-stakes online player to whom 15K is not a large sum of money? How about the concept of large NL B+M games existing outside Vegas?

Its really too bad that you were lying when you said you weren't going to respond again.

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Ummm, yes, I can comprehend a high stakes online player not thinking 15K is a large sum of money. I don't buy for one second that 15K is not a large sum of money to a 21 year old kid.

Also, he said he just turned 21 so unless I am completely ignorant to gaming laws, he has not been allowed to play live poker anywhere.

Oh, I know, he is one of those underage, fake ID, high stakes professional poker players.

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yo fish,
he didnt ask for some life advice from a 1/2 no talent grinder nitboy, he asked what games play deep and are good action in vegas... take your foot out of your mouth and STFU any time.
idiot.

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Seeing how I do at the Wynn I definitely want to check out Bellagio, too.

Maybe I'll stick my friends at the limit games. Is 2/4 the lowest they spread in Vegas?

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there is a 1-3 spread game at the Excalibur, thats the lowest. the problem is the casinos with good mid level NL games such as wynn and bellagio don't spread lower than 4-8 limit.

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Oh, I know, he is one of those underage, fake ID, high stakes professional poker players.

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My mom's a yeti and my dad is the Loch Ness monster.

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Excellent post, Dan. I appreciate this. Hopefully I can drop a few grand to you in Vegas.

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Great, this dude is one of those annoying Vegas nits I'm going to have to put up with after I move there... yay.

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Also, he said he just turned 21 so unless I am completely ignorant to gaming laws, he has not been allowed to play live poker anywhere.

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Yes, you are. There are many places in the U.S. that are 18+. This topic comes up weekly on this forum.