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pokerlaw 05-24-2005 01:55 PM

Is this straight draw worth calling until the river?
 
Reads: MP bets small when he doesnt have much
SB is a calling station with low hand valuation.
BB seems fairly tight.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) converter

SB (t1455)
BB (t2210)
UTG (t1130)
MP (t4035)
Hero (t4670)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls t150, Hero calls t150, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t600) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t450</font>, MP folds, Hero calls t450, SB calls t450.

Turn: (t1950) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t450</font>, Hero calls t450, SB folds.

River: (t2850) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t450</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t3300

tomdemaine 05-24-2005 02:02 PM

Re: Is this straight draw worth calling until the river?
 
fold pre-flop, fold on the flop, fold on the turn, fold on the river. Other than that fine [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

jah0550 05-24-2005 02:12 PM

Re: Is this straight draw worth calling until the river?
 
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fold pre-flop, fold on the flop, fold on the turn, fold on the river. Other than that fine [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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lol. why are you playing 67 with 7xBB?

pokerlaw 05-24-2005 02:17 PM

Re: Is this straight draw worth calling until the river?
 
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why are you playing 67 with 7xBB?

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unless my math is off, I believe I had over 31xBB...

zambonidrivr 05-24-2005 02:20 PM

Re: Is this straight draw worth calling until the river?
 
i don't even see a straight here. looks like you had trip 4's with a 10 kicker you jackass.

-NH, well played

Insty 05-24-2005 02:23 PM

Re: Is this straight draw worth calling until the river?
 
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fold pre-flop, fold on the flop, fold on the turn, fold on the river. Other than that fine [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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and fold the next hand as well in case you are tempted to play it too.

zambonidrivr 05-24-2005 02:27 PM

Re: Is this straight draw worth calling until the river?
 
why are you calling this hand? what is your SN?

45suited 05-24-2005 02:30 PM

Re: Is this straight draw worth calling until the river?
 
[ QUOTE ]
Reads: MP bets small when he doesnt have much
SB is a calling station with low hand valuation.
BB seems fairly tight.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) converter

SB (t1455)
BB (t2210)
UTG (t1130)
MP (t4035)
Hero (t4670)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 7, 6.
1 fold, MP calls t150, Hero calls t150, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t600) 8, 4, T (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets t450, MP folds, Hero calls t450, SB calls t450.

Turn: (t1950) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets t450, Hero calls t450, SB folds.

River: (t2850) 4 (2 players)
BB bets t450, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t3300

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I'm not a big fan of the flop call for several reasons:

1) The player you read as tight is making a significant bet.

2) SB was still yet to act. (Probably not going to raise, but it is still a consideration.)

3) If the turn is a 9, you have the sucker end of the straight.

I would never call on the turn. How many outs do you have at this point? Let it go.

Nathan183 05-24-2005 02:32 PM

Re: Is this straight draw worth calling until the river?
 
He bet 3/4 of the pot on the flop and you have a gutshot. FOLD. The turn bet looks weak, but he could easily be trapping with a FH, in which case, you are drawing completely dead. What do you do when a 5 hits and he goes all-in?

nokona13 05-24-2005 02:32 PM

Re: Is this straight draw worth calling until the river?
 
I don't mind taking a flop here. You've got a huge stack and a good hand to see a cheap flop. You get a well disguised draw, and a tight player bets. Good, your implied odds are good to hit now, and I don't think calling here is terrible, as long as you could make that play with trips as well on that board. When the board pairs I think either you're drawing dead or your implied odds have just died, since he'll be scared by a boat on any big bet, so I think maybe you have to fold the turn.


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