Hero or Fool?
 

My main concern is preflop. Do stack sizes justify this in the long run?
Texas Hold'em $0.25-$0.25 NL (real money), #1,597,590,921
Table Chongqing, 16 Dec 2005 7:04 PM ET

Seat 1: dDAP ($27.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($24.10 in chips)
Seat 3: Leehong ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: ToasFace ($21.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Rickers3 ($23.10 in chips)
Seat 6: Villain ($8.15 in chips)
Seat 7: Ouzou_ ($59 in chips)
Seat 8: jer99 ($27.10 in chips)
Seat 9: PokerSpaz0 ($24.35 in chips)



ANTES/BLINDS
dDAP posts blind ($0.15), Hero (6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
Leehong folds, ToasFace folds, Rickers3 calls $0.25, Villain bets $1, Ouzou_ calls $1, jer99 folds, PokerSpaz0 folds, dDAP folds,Hero calls $0.75, Rickers3 calls $0.75.

FLOP ($4.00) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Hero bets $2.50, Rickers3 folds, Villain bets $7.15 and is all-in, Ouzou_ folds,Hero calls $4.65.

Re: Hero or Fool?
 

it's definately close

the fact that Rickers is probably coming along swings it barely over to a call

Re: Hero or Fool?
 

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it's definately close

the fact that Rickers is probably coming along swings it barely over to a call

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My thought at the time was: $.75 to win $2.65 (plus Ricker's probable call) gives me about 4:1 immediate odds. This means that I need to win an additional $2.00 on the flop to justify my being 7:1 to hit my set. Since the pot on the flop would already be ~$4.00, I figured that I could squeeze another 1/2 pot bet out of somebody enough times to make the preflop call right.

Thoughts?

Re: Hero or Fool?
 

I play basically about any pair in any reasonably raised pot. At this limit they WILL pay you off.

Re: Hero or Fool?
 

Being the second caller of the PFR (especially after a large stack calls) provides more than enough implied odds to make this call IMO. A potential third caller helps but I don't think is necessary to make this call.

Re: Hero or Fool?
 

in a multiway raised pot like this one, if you hit your set, you will be paid enough to compensate for the lack of 7:1 immediate odds (unless flop is 6 J 2 raindbow and your against 4 AKs)

I call there 100% of the time and will usually even call a decent size re-raise (because that usually means high pockets = high stakes if you hit ur set)

Re: Hero or Fool?
 

I think it's very close. The implied odds + the dead money in the pot make this borderline. Also, I'm not too concerned with the $59 stack. Since he wasn't a pre-flop aggressor, I think that the only way you're really going to end up playing a big pot against him is if you make a set but are still behind.

Re: Hero or Fool?
 

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I think it's very close. The implied odds + the dead money in the pot make this borderline. Also, I'm not too concerned with the $59 stack. Since he wasn't a pre-flop aggressor, I think that the only way you're really going to end up playing a big pot against him is if you make a set but are still behind.

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I feel the same way. My only stack chance is the initial raiser, whose meager remaining stack does just get me (I think) to +EV.

Re: Hero or Fool?
 

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I think it's very close. The implied odds + the dead money in the pot make this borderline. Also, I'm not too concerned with the $59 stack. Since he wasn't a pre-flop aggressor, I think that the only way you're really going to end up playing a big pot against him is if you make a set but are still behind.

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I've definitely started to give this consideration with my implied odds calls. Chances are, the caller of the preflop raise is also trying to make a hand and stack off the villain. You're only going to get a lot of money out of him if he hits his hand (or a draw), in which case you might be the one getting stacked. Of course, if the calling villain is a known idiot, the call is easy enough, because you might stack him if he catches TP or some trash against your set.

As far as the original post goes, I agree that its close, but i'll call with the additional deeperstacked players in the pot. (I don't like being OOP though).