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awarunn 10-09-2005 11:47 PM

min betting on flop and turn
 
1/2 NL 6-handed
Villian's stats are pretty solid besides a high win$ at showdown %
Villian ($567.12) is SB
Hero ($442.90) is CO
hole cards:
Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

folded to Hero
Hero raises to $8
Button folds
Villian calls $7
BB folds

Flop: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [$10]
Villian bets $2
Hero calls $2

Turn: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [$14]
Villian bets $2
Hero calls $2

River: 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] [$18]
Villian bets $20
Hero calls $20

Final Pot: [$64]

Is calling here correct or weak?

10-10-2005 12:03 AM

Re: min betting on flop and turn
 
Calling here is not a bad play because it is such a big call opposed to the previous acts by villian. The problem is that if he had the flush or a higher straight he would have bet more on the flop and turn. The $20 bet was obviously an overbet of the pot on his part and you should have reraised his bet for a sure fold.

10-10-2005 12:07 AM

Re: min betting on flop and turn
 
I have to ask... if you fear calling $20 with the nut straight on the river... Why are you calling with K high and no draw on the flop and the turn? Just because the bets are minimum isn't a good reason to call just to call. Or... am I just missing something?

awarunn 10-10-2005 12:24 AM

Re: min betting on flop and turn
 
Min bets just strike me as fishy. I wasn't sure if he was trying to string me along after flopping a flush or if he was just scared of the flush draw. I had two overcards so that's the reason I was calling. For the minimum bet I don't think calling is a bad move. I wanted to see how he played the following rounds. Then when I got open ended on the turn, calling the turn minbet is a no brainer. The $20 bet on the river could mean a lot of things. I was just confused on this hand. I wasn't folding the river but I couldn't decide whether to call or raise.

wdeadwyler 10-10-2005 12:41 AM

Re: min betting on flop and turn
 
Raise the river to 55 and fold to a reraise.

amoeba 10-10-2005 01:36 AM

Re: min betting on flop and turn
 
[ QUOTE ]
Calling here is not a bad play because it is such a big call opposed to the previous acts by villian. The problem is that if he had the flush or a higher straight he would have bet more on the flop and turn. The $20 bet was obviously an overbet of the pot on his part and you should have reraised his bet for a sure fold.

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reraise his bet for a sure fold?

what?

so we should have hands we beat fold but have hands that beat us call?

awarunn 10-10-2005 01:49 AM

Results
 
Villian was holding AA.

10-10-2005 02:45 AM

Re: Results
 
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Villian was holding AA.

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With the A of hearts I assume? This too me reaks of villian having a high heart flush draw, and trying to see the fourth heart for cheap so he has the NUTS! On the river he missed his draw so he tries to bluff himself out of it. I call easily. I don't re-raise, because then only a hand that beats you will call.

awarunn 10-10-2005 09:49 AM

Re: Results
 
He must have forgot that he was holding pocket aces on the flop and turn.

4_2_it 10-10-2005 10:04 AM

Re: Results
 
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He must have forgot that he was holding pocket aces pre-flop, on the flop and turn.

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FYP


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