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12-18-2005 09:03 PM

10+1: bubble KQ
 
Party 10+1, no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero (t1360)
UTG (t2615)
Button (t2795)
SB (t1230)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t1100</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t700.

Flop: (t2400) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Hero [CHECKS}
UTG [Raise 260]
Hero [CALLs 260 All-in]
Turn: (t2400) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2400) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2400

Either fold, or stop&amp;go, didn't know which was best.
Ty in advance, brian.

wiggs73 12-18-2005 09:05 PM

Re: 10+1: bubble KQ
 
Stop and go is really bad, seeing as how you have 0 fold equity post-flop. You really think your t260 bet is going to get him to fold any 2 cards with t2200 in the pot? He's getting almost 10:1.

edit: just saying that to clarify that this is basically an all-in or fold situation because a stop and go is no different than an initial all-in here. as for moving in or folding, i'd probably opt to move in.

12-18-2005 09:10 PM

Re: 10+1: bubble KQ
 
how is stop and go bad????

I understand that I have VERY little FE after the flop.
But I have even LESS (0) preflop.

Brian.

gumpzilla 12-18-2005 09:15 PM

Re: 10+1: bubble KQ
 
[ QUOTE ]

I understand that I have VERY little FE after the flop.
But I have even LESS (0) preflop.

[/ QUOTE ]

You have zero either way, unless your opponent is rather poor, which I guess is a reasonably strong possibility.

Your decision to play this hand is going to come down to how wide a range of hands you think UTG is going to be raising with. If he's been going crazy, then it might be okay, but if he's on more of an any ace/any pair kick, then this isn't going to be a winner. ICM is the answer here.

12-18-2005 09:17 PM

Re: 10+1: bubble KQ
 
Fold Preflop

wiggs73 12-18-2005 09:17 PM

Re: 10+1: bubble KQ
 
I was using bad as a synonym for pointless. As for why it's that, I explained it later in my post.

12-18-2005 09:37 PM

Re: 10+1: bubble KQ
 
[ QUOTE ]

Your decision to play this hand is going to come down to how wide a range of hands you think UTG is going to be raising with. If he's been going crazy, then it might be okay, but if he's on more of an any ace/any pair kick, then this isn't going to be a winner. ICM is the answer here.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I did put him on any ace any pair, turns out he had 66, but is it really a fold?

If I fold, I have 900 chips left, which 200 go into the SB, so I have 700 chips to push with. ICM doesnt take into account FE does it? And I will lose ALOT of FE if I fold here.

My fear is that I will have to fold the SB if I get rags and someone raises. I then have basically zero FE.

Still a fold?

ty, Brian.


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