ATs and a nice flop.
 

B&M $12-$24 game.

Villian is a tight aggressive player who I've played a fair amount with. He likes to make moves, and he is a good hand reader.

Game was 5 handed before this hand came up. I was open raising frequently, and Villian 3-bet me liberally during this time, i.e. A9s.

15 minutes later, game is now 9 handed, I open raise UTG with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], a bad player cold calls, Villian 3-bets, another bad player in the BB calls, I cap it, they call.

4 players (8BB)

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet, bad player calls, Villian raises, BB folds, I 3-bet, bad player folds, Villian calls.

2 players (11.5BB)

Turn: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

I bet, Villian calls.

2 players (13.5BB)

River: blank

I check, Villian bets, I call.

Thoughts?

Re: ATs and a nice flop.
 

Fold preflop. I don't understand the preflop cap either.

Everything else looks fine could bet the river but you may induce a bluff with a check.

Re: ATs and a nice flop.
 

considering the bad players in between I like the cap. do you think if you checkraised the flop you could have gotten four bests in again? i assume you lost to QQ or JJ though.

where do they spread 12-24?

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c/r the river. that guys got KT or QT or some crap. he'd pump the turn with an overpair. your hand is good.

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I think you lost to QQ/JJ. Bet the river. 99/88 might call but probably won't bet. I can't see him with a busted draw.

Re: ATs and a nice flop.
 

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Fold preflop.

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Why?

This should be an easy raise IMO. Capping is debatable...

Thanks,

Guido

Re: ATs and a nice flop.
 

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Fold preflop. I don't understand the preflop cap either.

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I feel the open raise preflop is fine.

As far as capping, I've got a nice suited ace in a big multiway pot with two bad players. Also, Villian could be raising me light, so it's not certain I'm up against a monster. There is a small chance I have the best hand plus if he has some medium pair he may misread my hand on a scary board. I also want to notify him that 3-betting me with marginal hands is going to get expensive.

Thoughts and results.
 

I lost to QQ as some posters guessed.

My main question was on the flop/turn line I took. Highlife suggested checkraising the flop to get 4 bets in, and I think this is a valid line that would have worked.

After the hand Villian said he didn't raise the turn because he thought I could have kings. So now I'm wondering, if I smooth call the flop raise and checkraise him on the turn, or him + another player on the turn.....it looks like a big hand: flopped set, or a big pair. He might lay down QQ. From a pot equity perspective it can't be that bad with all my outs, and I know that the chance he lays down is > 0.

Anybody like waiting for the turn to checkraise/represent a monster and try to push him off of an overpair?

Re: Thoughts and results.
 

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After the hand Villian said he didn't raise the turn because he thought I could have kings. So now I'm wondering, if I smooth call the flop raise and checkraise him on the turn, or him + another player on the turn.....it looks like a big hand: flopped set, or a big pair. He might lay down QQ. From a pot equity perspective it can't be that bad with all my outs, and I know that the chance he lays down is > 0.

Anybody like waiting for the turn to checkraise/represent a monster and try to push him off of an overpair?


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There is just no way this guy who thinks you are FOS is laying down an overpair here. Never. Ever. Especially whe the pot is so large. The only way for ou to win this hand is to catch one of your many outs. Hard to represent a flopped set on a ten high boad that you capped preflop unless you have exactly TT in your hand.

Re: ATs and a nice flop.
 

Hi Fianchetto,

I liked the way you played it very much. I would not have capped preflop, unless my whole intention was to jam it like I have a big pair all the way through. It would be great to do so if it were still five-handed and headsup, but now you have another two players.

On the river, I would prefer a bet. He doesn't respect you anymore right now and will pay you off with any pair anyway. It sure seems he has something with which to call down and I would hate to have him check behind. If he has you beat with a higher pp, bravo to him for not raising your turn bet.

Re: Thoughts and results.
 

Just read results after posting my response. Surfdoc is absolutely right. For this player to be liberally 3-betting your raises, showing the lack of respect, there's no way he's laying down QQ, regardless of how much of a good card reader he is. Without a flush or other obvious draws out there, a move to have him lay it down would be futile.

Re: ATs and a nice flop.
 

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Fold preflop. I don't understand the preflop cap either.

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I feel the open raise preflop is fine.

As far as capping, I've got a nice suited ace in a big multiway pot with two bad players. Also, Villian could be raising me light, so it's not certain I'm up against a monster. There is a small chance I have the best hand plus if he has some medium pair he may misread my hand on a scary board. I also want to notify him that 3-betting me with marginal hands is going to get expensive.

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you stated:

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Villian is a tight aggressive player

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and that:

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I open raise UTG

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why in the world would you think he's 3 betting you lightly?

have you been open raising, been 3 bet and then c'f flops?

-Barron

Re: ATs and a nice flop.
 

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why in the world would you think he's 3 betting you lightly?


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Mostly because the game was recently short and I'm not certain that he has re-adjusted to full table conditions. I know that he will lighten up his 3-betting standards when the game gets short, and also against me if it pertains to any type of steal/resteal situation since we have a history there. In a prior session, I open raised from the Hijack, and he 3-bet me in the CO with A2s.

I guess I'm saying that I really didn't think he needed a huge hand to 3-bet me here.

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why in the world would you think he's 3 betting you lightly?


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Mostly because the game was recently short and I'm not certain that he has re-adjusted to full table conditions. I know that he will lighten up his 3-betting standards when the game gets short, and also against me if it pertains to any type of steal/resteal situation since we have a history there. In a prior session, I open raised from the Hijack, and he 3-bet me in the CO with A2s.

I guess I'm saying that I really didn't think he needed a huge hand to 3-bet me here.

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either full or short if he's knowledgable he's looking not at the # of the players, but at the # of players YET TO ACT behind you at the time of your raise.

Barron

Re: Thoughts and results.
 

wow i was wrong. im usually right when i read a hand in these posts. oh well.

i think i mistook your opponent for wily. id watch out for him, he sounds good. 3 betting you with A9s 5 handed is not raising light, it's solid TA play.

Re: Thoughts and results.
 

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wow i was wrong. im usually right when i read a hand in these posts. oh well.

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I guess it can be tough to respect anyone else's opinion when you're just about always right. I must be farther away than you think, if that's possible.

Re: ATs and a nice flop.
 

I would personally just start off with a call before the flop instead of a raise. If you weren't suited, is probably a fold in that position.Being suited, it's now worth playing, but of course,suited hands like more compant, so why decease the value of your hand by raising? Back to basics.

Re: Thoughts and results.
 

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I lost to QQ as some posters guessed.

My main question was on the flop/turn line I took. Highlife suggested checkraising the flop to get 4 bets in, and I think this is a valid line that would have worked.

After the hand Villian said he didn't raise the turn because he thought I could have kings. So now I'm wondering, if I smooth call the flop raise and checkraise him on the turn, or him + another player on the turn.....it looks like a big hand: flopped set, or a big pair. He might lay down QQ. From a pot equity perspective it can't be that bad with all my outs, and I know that the chance he lays down is > 0.

Anybody like waiting for the turn to checkraise/represent a monster and try to push him off of an overpair?

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That guy is folding QQ on that board about never. I think you played the hand fine. Just need a heart to hit next time.