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gildwulf 12-19-2005 05:27 PM

Re: Scuba_Curtains:Maybe I have something to learn about AK
 
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well you either push or fold. with a raise and a reraise some one has at least a pair. so at best you'll have a coin flip amusing you dont go against KK AA. you have 960 in chips so you dont need to get involed at all, so either raise or fold

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Hero has position here though, so I would be less inclined to push and more inclined to call, see how the flop betting goes and actually play some poker. With no reads a fold looks fine here too.

12-19-2005 06:08 PM

Re: Scuba_Curtains:Maybe I have something to learn about AK
 
Well if it's AQ and 99-QQ then your AK is not bad at all but if it's AK instead of AQ then not.

What if you call and get reraised, how good is your AK then? What if you're up against AA or KK, how do you like it? Considering the action in front AA or KK will be out there quite a bit.

I value AK less than I did a few months ago and I'm pretty sure I'm better off. AK is not a bad hand but when it's raised and reraised in front of you ...

12-19-2005 06:36 PM

Re: Scuba_Curtains:Maybe I have something to learn about AK
 
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Well if it's AQ and 99-QQ then your AK is not bad at all but if it's AK instead of AQ then not.

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Against AK & 99-QQ, you have 17.5% equity.
Against AQ & 99-QQ, you have 34.3% equity.
Against AQ+ & 99-QQ, you have 26.5% equity.

Adding KK and AA into the pocket pair range doesn't change htings much (against AK & 99+, you have 16.8% equity, for instance).

12-19-2005 06:42 PM

Re: Scuba_Curtains:Maybe I have something to learn about AK
 
Are those numbers for everyone allin preflop? If that's the case they don't mean much here, not yet anyway.

bigt439 12-19-2005 07:34 PM

Re: Scuba_Curtains:Maybe I have something to learn about AK
 
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I would call this but I don't mind folding, either. If you were the SB the fold would be super easy.

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I agree. But I also really like the idea of this hand; a fold here is just a super interesting play, and usually the correct one.

1C5 12-19-2005 07:47 PM

Re: Scuba_Curtains:Maybe I have something to learn about AK
 
At what limits though? A fold at the 11s and 22s and 33s is probably not the right play as you will see AJ and AQ and 72o as much as KK and AA or QQ.

Custer 12-19-2005 10:09 PM

Re: Scuba_Curtains:Maybe I have something to learn about AK
 
Keep in mind that Curtains is playing in a somewhat different game than most of you are used to.

moses

bigt439 12-19-2005 10:15 PM

Re: Scuba_Curtains:Maybe I have something to learn about AK
 
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At what limits though? A fold at the 11s and 22s and 33s is probably not the right play as you will see AJ and AQ and 72o as much as KK and AA or QQ.

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109+

12-19-2005 10:55 PM

Re: Scuba_Curtains:Maybe I have something to learn about AK
 
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Keep in mind that Curtains is playing in a somewhat different game than most of you are used to.

moses

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Which brings up a great point... should you play significantly differently at lower buyins?

Since what Curtains is doing on a daily basis is where some of us are willing to invest years of our life to get to, is it bad to apply his knowledge to $22s/$33s?

I can see that by playing a style that's succesful at the $215s, you may be giving up some of the chips that $22 donkeys throw around, but are you actually going to lose more SNGs for playing that way?

2DAXTRM (Jeff) 12-19-2005 11:19 PM

Re: Scuba_Curtains:Maybe I have something to learn about AK
 
Common, folding is ridiculous. Just call here, or possibly move all in if you think he is a retard (he probably is).


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