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Akimka 08-23-2005 10:44 AM

66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.
 
Would you play it any differenly against tightish TAG (10/5/2)

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

PTjvs 08-23-2005 10:47 AM

Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.
 
I've almost decided that I should be folding this preflop, but I'm too much of a set junkie &amp; almost never do. Im not sure that a 10/5 is a guy I attack though, that's closer to rock than TAG, and even on that seemingly innocent flop, I think you are behind an awful lot.

jvs

krimson 08-23-2005 10:50 AM

Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.
 
c/r the flop, lead the turn. Safe fold if he 3-bets or raises the turn.

I think this is similar to the last hand you posted. Your leading/3-betting with mediocre holdings to try and assert pressure, when the same pressure can be achieved with a c/r (less bets).

Entity 08-23-2005 10:53 AM

Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.
 
I think your line makes it clear you're beat and clear that you shouldn't fold the turn.

Rob

Akimka 08-23-2005 10:58 AM

Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.
 
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c/r the flop, lead the turn. Safe fold if he 3-bets or raises the turn.

I think this is similar to the last hand you posted. Your leading/3-betting with mediocre holdings to try and assert pressure, when the same pressure can be achieved with a c/r (less bets).

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Wow. Great advice - I think this is a very reasonable. c/r to save bets while appling pressure, not to hold opponent on hand. Great!

Akimka 08-23-2005 10:59 AM

Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.
 
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I think your line makes it clear you're beat and clear that you shouldn't fold the turn.

Rob

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shouldn't fold the turn? ahem...? Sorry but I do not understand....

PTjvs 08-23-2005 10:59 AM

Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.
 
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I think your line makes it clear you're beat and clear that you shouldn't fold the turn.

Rob

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You do have a smooth 6 outs to improve by the time you get to the turn. I check/fold the flop, but with your line I think Entity is right, you can peel the river.

jvs

peterchi 08-23-2005 11:08 AM

Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.
 
In heads up pots from the blinds, I generally take one of two lines:

1) 3-bet pre-flop and lead the flop
or
2) Call pre-flop and c/r or c/f the flop.

PTjvs 08-23-2005 11:23 AM

Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.
 
[ QUOTE ]
In heads up pots from the blinds, I generally take one of two lines:

1) 3-bet pre-flop and lead the flop
or
2) Call pre-flop and c/r or c/f the flop.

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He isnt in the blinds, he limped UTG

peterchi 08-23-2005 11:39 AM

Re: 66 heads-up on pretty innocent flop.
 
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[ QUOTE ]
In heads up pots from the blinds, I generally take one of two lines:

1) 3-bet pre-flop and lead the flop
or
2) Call pre-flop and c/r or c/f the flop.

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He isnt in the blinds, he limped UTG

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Oops. In that case, I c/r this flop, lead the turn.

I think check-folding the flop is giving up too early here; villain could easily have AK, AQ, KQ.


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