party 2000NL: blind war: TP2K
 

party 2000NL 5 handed

linda12 a 37/22/3 (LAGish) opens to 60 from the SB, which is standard for her.

i make it 180 with AQo, she calls after a second or two.

flop: A 10 7r

chk, i bet 160, she minraises. i have 1700 left before the minraise, she has me covered.

thoughts?

fsuplayer

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are you ready to play a big pot with TP2K? if not i dont understand the reraise.

reraises are so often big pairs, coupled with your big underbet on the flop, villian may have you on KK,QQ. id call the minraise and play it from there.

Re: party 2000NL: blind war: TP2K
 

sry, i messed up, I bet 260 on the flop.

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For those of us who don’t know Linda 12, details would be helpful. If she’s a complete unknown, I’d call with the intention of folding to a big bet on the turn.

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no, she's a regular. an okay postflop player, but has been running hotter than hell this past week.

not too many details on her postflop play, as I am still trying to figure it out myself. i have seen her CR several times with pair+fl. draws and st. flush draws, but never really on a dry board, so it kind of froze me up.

folding is not an option on the flop, just wondering if making it 800-900 or so and folding to a reraise would be better than calling?

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Ugly hand. Her min-raise is saying one of two things to me, both of them indicating she has nothing less than an Ace:
- "I have a weakish Ace (AJ, A9) and want to push you out or make you pay if you have a big pocket pair, but not lose too much if you have a better Ace."
- "I have a strong Ace beaten and want to milk you for all your money."

Problem with reraising her is that you won't get called by anything you beat. If she's on AJ or A9 (viable opening hands from the SB) she'll just fold figuring you have a better Ace. If she's on AK or AQ she might fold, but she may very well continue along. And if she can beat AK then she's going to follow you cause I doubt she'll wind up with MUBS and fold thinking you have AA.

This is a pot you need to keep small. I wouldn't reraise it. A call is begging her to bet on the turn, though, which is an ugly proposition cause if she's a solid post-flop player that turn bet should be nothing less than $500, which means it'll cost you $760 to make it to the river, or $260 just to fold on the turn.

I don't like your options here. You're in a situation where you're gonna win what's in the pot or lose a massive amount of money if you continue with the hand. Honestly I'd probably just drop it at this point.

FWIW, I would not have reraised PF, and would not have bet that much on the flop. AQ TP2K isn't a hand you want to play a big pot with unless you're against a terrible player. Your PF reraise and flop bet build the pot very large, making your decisions very tough. I hate doing that with AQ, even if the game was short-handed.

- C -

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FSUplayer

I feel the min-raise my be a sign of two-pair, is that possible for this type of player. Would she raise with A10 out of the small blind? You said she has been running hot, it is very possible and looks like a way she would play it, figuring you for AK, KK AQ AJ. If you re-raise to 800-900 like you said it looks to me you will be playing for your all stack with AQ. Do you want that?

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folding is not an option on the flop, just wondering if making it 800-900 or so and folding to a reraise would be better than calling?

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Yea, that was the first thing I thought too. The problem is I hate committing such a large portion of my stack with a hand that I don’t like all that much. If she has a big hand she can call, check the turn and if you check behind, she can still put you all in on the river. It would be hard to lay the hand down at that point.

I think when you call the minraise you are screaming “AK or AQ”….I think that’s what you want to be screaming. If she checks the turn, check behind and call a river bet. If she checks turn and river, value bet.

This is tricky because there is still a pretty good chance she will move you off the best hand. Is she tricky enough to minraise the flop with the intention of bluffing big on the turn? If so, maybe reraising the flop is the best play after all.

So after all this reasoning, I still don’t know what the hell you should do….Sorry

Re: party 2000NL: blind war: TP2K
 

when i said that its standard for her, i meant, opening from the SB, which she does >75% of the time, i didnt mean her raise size.

is a reraise there with position there with AQ good? im thinking yes.

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Hearing that, re-raise and see where you stand. There is $1140 in the pot, a raise to $800 may take it down, otherwise a call by her and a check, Which you will probably push all-in on the turn? Will be a nice pot.

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Is villain laggy enough to open 89s there? That might be a stretch.

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Is villain laggy enough to open 89s there? That might be a stretch.

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yes, and worse.

Re: party 2000NL: blind war: TP2K
 

OOOOO How I HATE HATE HATE A Q!!!!!!!

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Is villain laggy enough to open 89s there? That might be a stretch.

yes, and worse.

I still don't see what the point is when she's at least reasonable in post flop play and you said she's running hot. The second part I don't care about much, but in general why would you want to play a big pot against her with this hand? Cause that's what you did by reraising her PF...

And if you're okay with doing so - i.e. You think you can kill her post flop with a hand like this on a board like that - how is this not an automatic all in for you?

I still don't like it and probably fold after that flop, but personally I wouldn't have let it come to that. I'd have called her PF raise and then just cold called her all the way down, letting her bluff off bits and pieces to me. Maybe I'd raise the flop and take the lead, then defensively bet on the turn and check the river. Either way I wouldn't want to be playing this pot for more than $500 or $600.

alinda12 a 37/22/3 (LAGish) opens to 60 from the SB, which is standard for her.

i call 60 with AQo, pot = $120.

flop: A 10 7r
She bets $100, I raise to $250

Makes every decision afterward a piece of cake.

- C -

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Is villain laggy enough to open 89s there? That might be a stretch.

yes, and worse.

I still don't see what the point is when she's at least reasonable in post flop play and you said she's running hot. The second part I don't care about much, but in general why would you want to play a big pot against her with this hand? Cause that's what you did by reraising her PF...

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If she's raising 75% of her SBs then you have to come over the top preflop sometimes. AQ is a pretty good hand to do this with IMO.

Re: party 2000NL: blind war: TP2K
 

Has she been auto stealing your BB from the SB when everyone folds?

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If she's so aggro then why not just call PF with position with AQ. You can, from there, control the tempo of the hand and also let her think her A2-AJ is good if she doesn't hit two pair. I think this is the type of pot you'd rather play with AQ and I think it's the way to get paid most effectively without committing too much money.

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Has she been auto stealing your BB from the SB when everyone folds?

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yes

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I strongly believe that raising the minraise would be the best play in this case, then you can fold to a raise, or if she calls, dont put another dollar into it. Considering how Laggy she is, I dont see a problem with reraising pf with AQ at all, i think it is much better than calling because, it would prevent her from stealing you big blind and also it would represent a big hand, which it does quite clearly in this case. Obviously she doesnt call your flop re-reraise with a worse hand, but it could very well be the cheapest way to find out. If you let her take the lead, you will most likely face an all in by the river.

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Assuming you have 2k stacks, I really dont like the reraise here. I just dont get why you'd let this person get away from a worse ace, and why you'd invite so much action with a mediocre hand.

I vote for calling the turn. Often times if she was bluffing or even if she has a bad ace she'll give up on the river.

A thought, I really rarely reraise here with any hands when I am in the interest of keeping madam Shania happy. It's just my style I guess. But I suppose if you'll get called by worse hands due to your image you could pull off this move.

On the river just go with your gut if you end up calling. Advice that involves judging your river decision based on a bet size (against respectable no limit players) is faulty.

-Jason

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yea, i didnt love the thought of a reraise either, but wasnt sure if a call (like i thought) was better.