shady 2 pair, need turn and river help
 

25-50, 3 limpers and I make it 300 with K9s on the button. 3 callers. YES. 1st plays well and is running super hot, he has 22k, other is tight and has 6, I have 12.

Flop Q92 two tone

Checked around

Turn K (2 flush draws present)

1st guy leads for 800, 2nd guy calls, I make it 2400. Both call.

River 6o

Both check to me. Action? Turn play?

Re: shady 2 pair, need turn and river help
 

Check behind

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AZK,

What about your image? Do others think that you could be raising preflop with something like 10Js with 3 limpers?

It looks like the either of them could have a set( 99 or 22 very likely) and missed a check raise on the flop.

1. Do U think your 2 pr is good?
2. Can you sell the nuts here?

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I think that you will see 222, KQ or a turned straight from the first limper too often here to make a raise on the turn, or a bet on the river, worthwhile. I am fairly confident that Player two has a pair of kings with some sort of straight or flush draw.

The only alternative to checking behind is to bomb the river, and I think that works only if you have been overbetting your big hands on the river.

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My image is pretty solid. The first limper is pretty loose in terms of calling raises preflop and limping early. I think the 2nd caller would have raised a set/straight on the turn, so I'm not so worried about him as much as I am about the first player. The first player would likely 3bet the nut on the turn or call with a set. I can't really decide whether or not he would lead the river with a set.

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Check behind

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Check behind. There is a good chance both could be drawing, but if not, I think the only hand that calls your bet is KQ.

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turn is standard?

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turn is standard?

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Probably, but I would not be happy getting called by both opponents, which in turn leads to checking behind on the river.

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how come no one is talking about the flop check behind?

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looks good. Check river.

I think you've gotten about as big a pot as you'd like to play and be ahead. The only alternative way to play this would to call turn and play poker on river. I prob like way you played it more.

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I think you've gotten about as big a pot as you'd like to play and be ahead. The only alternative way to play this would to call turn and play poker on river. I prob like way you played it more.

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A lot of bad things can happen if you raise the turn here, such as:

1) Player 1 three bets, and you have to fold what is probably a clean four outer, which is a shame.

2) Player 1 calls the raise, and then blocks/value bets the river for 1/2 pot or so with KQ or a set of 222s. This will happen a lot and will result in a bigger pot than the alternative line, which is to call the turn, and then call the river.

It's also worth noting that the raise here isn't large enough to narrow the field. Player 1 isn't going anywhere. Player 2 probably has correct odds to draw.

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Yes, I'd definitely raise the turn.

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how come no one is talking about the flop check behind?

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I bet the flop almost every time, but it makes things very tricky against good players. Checking through makes the hand much simpler to play.

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how come no one is talking about the flop check behind?

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Two-tone flop with two cards in the playable range. Two opponents who called a substantial raise, including one who is loose and running hot (and therefore likely to give action with gutters and make moves with draws). I don't mind the check.

I like the turn raise.

On the river, one perhaps useful bet amount is enough to put the short stack allin. Say, half pot or so, 4K. Big stack will know that a bet of this size is not a bluff, and if he comes over the top you can fold. Downside is that this is an obvious value bet, but you may still get a loose call from a king or smaller two pair.

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i don't mind the check either, but i also dont mind getting TT and JJ to fold.

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TT and JJ are usually raising preflop, not limp-calling. They might also call one bullet on the flop, particularly given AZK's LAGtacular style.

While he might get calls from worse hands (straight draws, 9x), I don't think he's going to fold out better ones by betting.

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Check behind, you played it fine otherwise.
I bet the flop like 25-75% of the time though dependng on the villians, even though in this game, that percentage is probably on the lower side.