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Dave D 11-04-2005 08:38 PM

Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
I suppose this should go in another forum, but this is where I usually post so whatever.

Sometime back one of my friends (a fellow trout, 27offsoot) suggested we should basically trade in a bunch of our party points for sweatshirts, hats and whatever stuff and give the sweatshirts to local homeless shelters. With the holidays and such coming up, I'm gonna do this at some point, and I thought I'd post this idea on here. Really though it shouldn't take a special occasion to donate a little something.

Just because the sweatshirt says partypoker.com, doesn't mean it won't keep someone warm during this time of year. I'm sure most of us have tons and tons of points we're not gonna use anyway, so we might as well use them for some good.

Pat Southern 11-04-2005 08:41 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
It'd be a nice gesture, and I would participate if I hadn't just closed my old party account to get bakerack, but do you think the average person would be more/less likely to give a bum money when he's wearing a partypoker sweatshirt?

11-04-2005 08:49 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
they give matusow money all the time!


BAZINNNG!

jk, but really this is a great idea.

KneeCo 11-04-2005 08:52 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
great idea, sadly I used all my points on Party for Free and Ive since moved to PStars for the majority of my play.

Maybe we can get Party to give us some free stuff for this?
Didn't I see a piece on the daily show about homeless people being used by companies as billboards?

11-04-2005 08:54 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
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It'd be a nice gesture, and I would participate if I hadn't just closed my old party account to get bakerack, but do you think the average person would be more/less likely to give a bum money when he's wearing a partypoker sweatshirt?

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You've got a decent point, but the 'bum' comment is way out of line. I think there are plenty of people in this forum who would better meet the description of 'bum' than would the average homeless person. What does a professional poker player contribute to society? Also, the vast majority of homeless people are not panhandlers. Though they may live off of charity or public assistance, they are not soliciting money from passers-by, and so their income will not be affected by wearing such a sweatshirt.

Good idea, Dave. I wonder if Party/Stars would consider allowing players to trade points directly for a donation to a charitable organization? There are a lot of middle men that could be cut out if we didn't have to order sweatshirts and then donate them in order to do something charitable.

billyjex 11-04-2005 08:59 PM

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It'd be a nice gesture, and I would participate if I hadn't just closed my old party account to get bakerack, but do you think the average person would be more/less likely to give a bum money when he's wearing a partypoker sweatshirt?

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You've got a decent point, but the 'bum' comment is way out of line. I think there are plenty of people in this forum who would better meet the description of 'bum' than would the average homeless person. What does a professional poker player contribute to society? Also, the vast majority of homeless people are not panhandlers. Though they may live off of charity or public assistance, they are not soliciting money from passers-by, and so their income will not be affected by wearing such a sweatshirt.



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You are one bum who I wouldn't even give a Party Poker beach towel too.

Dave D 11-04-2005 09:01 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
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Good idea, Dave. I wonder if Party/Stars would consider allowing players to trade points directly for a donation to a charitable organization? There are a lot of middle men that could be cut out if we didn't have to order sweatshirts and then donate them in order to do something charitable.

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Stars probably. Party no.

Party either:

1. Wouldn't understand the concept.
2. Dikshit would get jealous (because he can barely feed his kids/there's tons of poverty in India) and pretend not to understand.

Dave D 11-04-2005 09:02 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
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It'd be a nice gesture, and I would participate if I hadn't just closed my old party account to get bakerack, but do you think the average person would be more/less likely to give a bum money when he's wearing a partypoker sweatshirt?

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A sweatshirt's a sweatshirt. Not like they're gonna think "oh he's homeless but can play online huuuh".

EverettKings 11-04-2005 09:06 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
Hey if you set this up so people can buy party stuff with points and mail YOU the gear to distribute, you'd have yourself a good operation. I would just rather do that than buy one or two articles of clothing to give away here: it's better to amass a bunch and deck out a whole city of homeless people in bling-bling PP gear. Know what im sayin?

Everett

Pat Southern 11-04-2005 09:20 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
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It'd be a nice gesture, and I would participate if I hadn't just closed my old party account to get bakerack, but do you think the average person would be more/less likely to give a bum money when he's wearing a partypoker sweatshirt?

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A sweatshirt's a sweatshirt. Not like they're gonna think "oh he's homeless but can play online huuuh".

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Thats exactly what I think when I see a bum with a 40 at 2 PM on a wednesday, despite your views on poker, a lot of people do not view it as an admirable enterprise, and would react negatively to a bum decked out in partypoker gear. To Captain Politically Correct who took issue with my "out of line" usage of bum, these people go around asking for a handout, in my mind that constitutes a bum. I think any handout would be better served going to some hurricane victims or something rather than random homeless people.

11-04-2005 09:47 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
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Thats exactly what I think when I see a bum with a 40 at 2 PM on a wednesday, despite your views on poker, a lot of people do not view it as an admirable enterprise, and would react negatively to a bum decked out in partypoker gear. To Captain Politically Correct who took issue with my "out of line" usage of bum, these people go around asking for a handout, in my mind that constitutes a bum. I think any handout would be better served going to some hurricane victims or something rather than random homeless people.

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I didn't say that no homeless people are bums. I understand (though don't agree) why you don't want to help out someone with a drinking problem. But is it your opinion that all homeless people are also alcoholics? Or even that the majority are? Do you think that all homeless people are unemployed? Do you think that all homeless people want to be unemployed (I'll grant that some might, but do you think all or most do?).

What about homeless children? Disabled war veterans? People with mental disabilities? They are all bums?

Are professional poker players bums? If not, why not? Is a guy who spends all his time playing on Party Poker contributing more to society than a person who works a menial job but doesn't have a home?

How am I being politically correct? I am simply correcting your rude and flawed assumptions, so I'd say I'm just plain correct.

Oh, you are OK with hurricane victims? They are not bums? What if they were on public assistance before the hurricane? Did the storm blow away their 'bum'-ness? People rendered homeless by the hurricane are not bums?

tdp 11-04-2005 09:59 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
[quoteThats exactly what I think when I see a bum with a 40 at 2 PM on a wednesday, despite your views on poker, a lot of people do not view it as an admirable enterprise, and would react negatively to a bum decked out in partypoker gear. To Captain Politically Correct who took issue with my "out of line" usage of bum, these people go around asking for a handout, in my mind that constitutes a bum. I think any handout would be better served going to some hurricane victims or something rather than random homeless people.

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At least %95 of the mainstream population is completely unaware that online poker even exists and of that %5 that does,only a some of them would be against it and a good chunk of them would look down on the homeless anyway.

11-04-2005 10:21 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
barry greenstein donates all tournament winnings to charity. i would say thats something noble a poker player has done for society, but thats just me!

11-04-2005 10:24 PM

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barry greenstein donates all tournament winnings to charity. i would say thats something noble a poker player has done for society, but thats just me!

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Yes, Barry is definitively not a bum. That doesn't make ALL poker pros not bums.

11-04-2005 10:30 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
we dont really know what the best poker players in the world do with their money. for example football is more nationally televised than poker and people as a whole watch it much more, yet i bet you 90% of people can tell you that Warrick Dunn from the falcons builds homes for single mothers. it just isnt something that is often talked about. For all we know Phil Ivey donates 50% of his winnings. who knows, but i think its kind of naive to say that all poker players are bums.

11-04-2005 10:32 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
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we dont really know what the best poker players in the world do with their money. for example football is more nationally televised than poker and people as a whole watch it much more, yet i bet you 90% of people can tell you that Warrick Dunn from the falcons builds homes for single mothers. it just isnt something that is often talked about. For all we know Phil Ivey donates 50% of his winnings. who knows, but i think its kind of naive to say that all poker players are bums.

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OK, I'm not saying that either. My only point is that I think it is ironic for homeless people to be called bums on a list populated by professional poker players.

11-04-2005 11:04 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
What's the PC term for bum these days, anyway?

I think it's quite sad that you took a post about rallying people for an admirable cause and hijacked it so you could rant about the political incorrectness of the word BUM, of all things in the world. Sigh.

11-04-2005 11:07 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
this wasnt my goal at all, for i agree with the rallying of party points to help the homeless. i think it would be a great idea. i live near baltimore and there are a lot of homeless people out there that could certainly use the clothing.

smoore 11-04-2005 11:08 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
I've been on the streets. Bum is an adequate description of everyone I hung out with.

Dave D 11-04-2005 11:11 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
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What's the PC term for bum these days, anyway?

I think it's quite sad that you took a post about rallying people for an admirable cause and hijacked it so you could rant about the political incorrectness of the word BUM, of all things in the world. Sigh.

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Seriously.

And yeah, there's no need to wait till the holidays. If you have a ton of points you're not gonna use for yourself, go use em now and give the stuff to the salvation army. They'll figure stuff out.

11-04-2005 11:31 PM

Re: Party points for the homeless (OT)
 
Well, I definitely did not mean to distract from Dave's original point, which I think is a very good one. I'm glad he brought it up.

All I said initially was that making a sweeping generalization that all homeless people are bums is an ignorant thing to do. It is. But whatever, apologies to Dave if I've distracted from the original point of his post. His idea was a very good one, and I hope others follow his lead.


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