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Womble 09-12-2005 12:22 PM

Semibluff any of these?
 
I find myself in lots of these situations. I have a good draw and everyone is checking but I can't bet for value as there arent any opponents.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, MP checks.

Turn: (1.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks?


Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, Button checks.

Turn: (1.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero?


Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 4 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks.

Turn: (1.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero?

You get the idea! I folded/checked these when they happened and thought it was correct but it kept happening throughout the session. Some hit, some didnt but what is profitable?

spydog 09-12-2005 12:33 PM

Re: Semibluff any of these?
 
Hand 1: I'm checking this one. It might get checked thru and I'm not sure a semi-bluff works at this level because they will call if they hold at least 1 broadway card in the hole.

Hand 2: I probably check this one also. With 2 broadways and 2 flush cards showing, I doubt you take this one down right there. I check, hoping to get a free card.

Hand 3: I'm betting this one. I think most diamond draws would have stabbed at this flop. It's unlikely that this flop hit anyone, so as long as nobody has the King (which they won't most of the time), I think you'll pick up the pot. Plus, you have 6 additional outs against someone holding 6x/4x/2x.

Lurker4 09-12-2005 03:13 PM

Re: Semibluff any of these?
 
hand 1: I probably bet this turn; you're unlikely to get raised and you'll probably have to call a bet if you check. At least if you bet, you have fold equity against the medium connectors/suited type hands that loose players will limp with and not call a bet on this board.

hand 2: I usually bet this turn after picking up my draw, for same reason as in hand 1, a T probably won't raise here but will bet if you check, so one bet goes in either way but if you bet you have fold equity. Once you check and the turn is bet, I still call, w/8 OESD outs + possible pair outs.

hand 3: I also tend to bet this, you have very good fold equity against undercards to the K, and can usually get something like A8 or A9 to fold. Once you check, I call the turn bet.

I usually bet turned draws in these situations, mainly b/c I hate just check/calling here barely getting good enough pot + implied odds to chase my draw. At least if you bet you have another way to win.


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