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baronzeus 12-03-2005 10:52 PM

another good draw turn push
 
villain here is 16.7/2.9/1.33. you like?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

UTG ($2177)
UTG+1 ($2107)
UTG+2 ($580)
Hero ($4663.50)
MP2 ($2047)
MP3 ($2317)
CO ($1620)
Button ($5220)
SB ($2131)
BB ($1800)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $70</font>, MP2 calls $70, MP3 calls $70, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB (poster) calls $60, BB calls $50.

Flop: ($350) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $200</font>, MP2 calls $200, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB folds
Turn: ($750) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $500, Hero pushes.

lapoker17 12-03-2005 11:16 PM

Re: another good draw turn push
 
I don't like this one.

You have very little fold equity against this guy here, and he is ahead nearly all the time. Even AQ (no diamonds) has you crushed right now, and in order for him to bet that turn, I think we can easily assume he has that hand as an absolute minimum. He's also already put in close to half his money.

You can find better spots.

Gugel 12-04-2005 12:05 AM

Re: another good draw turn push
 
Hero is 35% to win against AQ. He is hardly crushed.
MP2 has $1200 behind him. Hero does have fold equity.

lapoker17 12-04-2005 12:15 AM

Re: another good draw turn push
 
Eh, the way OP plays, at least given the hands he posts here, this would be a fairly easy call for an observant opponent w AQ or better.

And....

In order to bet that turn villain has to have AQ or better.


So...

12-04-2005 01:55 AM

Re: another good draw turn push
 
I like this play a lot. Great move. The push leaves him with a way out(enough money left to play) if he folds.
The amount of outs you have is insane 9 diamonds, 2 each of 9's and A's (not including the diamonds of course) and 3 each of J's and K's= 19
You could probably take a few away if you include his hand.

Once again I love this play.

ninjia3x 12-04-2005 02:49 AM

Re: another good draw turn push
 
Hi Baronzeus,

I think the play is a beauty,

Can i assume that MP2 is somewhat obvservant and tight, and you are representing AK after a cont bet on the flop?

ggbman 12-04-2005 03:16 AM

Re: another good draw turn push
 
Some of you guys are [censored] hilarious. Villian could have AQ, or he could HAVE ANY [censored] HAND WITH A 9!!! or a set, etc.. I think the play is ok, its definitly not brilliant, and its very read dependant.

lapoker17 12-04-2005 03:27 AM

Re: another good draw turn push
 
I think a lot of you just see a big draw and assume it's a push. In doing this you fail to look at all of the other things that swirl around these hands.

ggbman 12-04-2005 03:35 AM

Re: another good draw turn push
 
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I think a lot of you just see a big draw and assume it's a push. In doing this you fail to look at all of the other things that swirl around these hands.

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12-04-2005 04:11 AM

Re: another good draw turn push
 
push the flop


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