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Eihli 12-25-2005 06:05 AM

Standard? 33
 
***** Hand History for Game 3258008533 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:18580688 Level:4 Blinds(50/100) - Sunday, December 25, 05:05:06 EDT 2005
Table Table 66994 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: antiseen ( $1170 )
Seat 2: lighthenge ( $975 )
Seat 3: The__Shiznit ( $745 )
Seat 4: papag0rgi0 ( $1600 )
Seat 7: anika222 ( $875 )
Seat 9: amberman11 ( $2635 )
Trny:18580688 Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
There is no Small Blind in this hand as the Big Blind of the previous hand left the table.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to papag0rgi0 [ 7h Kh ]
amberman11 folds.
>You have options at Table 66749 Table!.
antiseen folds.
lighthenge folds.
The__Shiznit folds.
>You have options at Table 66962 Table!.
papag0rgi0 is all-In [1600]
anika222 folds.
papag0rgi0 does not show cards.
papag0rgi0 wins 1700 chips

12-25-2005 06:08 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
Some reads would be nice

applejuicekid 12-25-2005 06:09 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
I would fold, but I don't hate it.

Eihli 12-25-2005 06:13 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
Played several thousand SNG's months back, Moved to 2/4-5/10 NL for a while. Need to re-learn some of the basics to make sure my pushing isn't too tight or loose.

nthn2fancy 12-25-2005 06:21 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
not standard...i fold here

Eihli 12-25-2005 06:24 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
BB has 8.5x BB.

nthn2fancy 12-25-2005 06:29 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
and u have 16xBB, whats the point of this push? to increase ur stack by 100?...i dont like it

Eihli 12-25-2005 06:33 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
Would you ever fold K7s heads up from the small blind?

I don't think so, so i don't really see an argument for folding.

12-25-2005 06:43 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
[ QUOTE ]
and u have 16xBB, whats the point of this push? to increase ur stack by 100?...i dont like it

[/ QUOTE ]

Me neither .All that pushing here gains is increasing the villans calling range for later.

applejuicekid 12-25-2005 07:23 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
[ QUOTE ]
Would you ever fold K7s heads up from the small blind?

I don't think so, so i don't really see an argument for folding.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't see how your first question supports your conclusion. You aren't playing heads up. I think this is a situation where you are risking a lot to gain very little. And as another poster said you will hurt your image.

Sciolist 12-25-2005 10:15 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
Well, I probably make this push. It seems I'm going against the grain though.

12-25-2005 10:16 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
I'm pushing. And I prefer completing over folding here too, you'll get a lot cheap flops at 33s here.

DMACM 12-25-2005 01:06 PM

Re: Standard? 33
 
Im surprised to see so many people advocating a fold. Maybe this is something I need to rethink but I push this 100% of the time. K7s is not a bad hand. Disclamer: I play the 22s I tried like 15 33s and lost them all [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img].

Edited: just something else to think about for those saying it will hurt your image and thus decrease fe for later. Leaving him 150 more chips also decreases fe for later.

microbet 12-25-2005 01:17 PM

Re: Standard? 33
 
Looks fine. BB has 875 and there is no SB, right? Only BB to act? People might be thinking you are button, 875 is SB, and the 2600 stack is BB.

johnnybeef 12-25-2005 02:13 PM

Re: Standard? 33
 
If this is your first push, then bb is likely very tight. As such this is a +EV shove.

The Yugoslavian 12-25-2005 04:55 PM

Re: Standard? 33
 
This push is fine but you already knew that so I'm not sure what the problem is. I don't hate folding either as there are only 100 chips up for grabs rather than 50 and you could use a bit extra FE when the blinds get higher (since with your stack you'll likely make level 6 or higher when the blinds become a significant portion of the total chips in play).

Yugoslav

curtains 12-26-2005 12:27 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
Moving allin is the only reasonable play, folding against basically any opponent is completely ridiculous. Everyone who is advocating to fold, this one leak is probably costing you ridiculously huge amounts of money. Folding here is SOOO SO bad its undescribable. If you continue to do that in similar situations you will never win any serious money playing sit and gos.

Snarf 12-26-2005 12:43 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
[ QUOTE ]
Moving allin is the only reasonable play, folding against basically any opponent is completely ridiculous. Everyone who is advocating to fold, this one leak is probably costing you ridiculously huge amounts of money. Folding here is SOOO SO bad its undescribable. If you continue to do that in similar situations you will never win any serious money playing sit and gos.

[/ QUOTE ]

This baffles my mind C-dog.

1600 for 100? (Is this another stack-protecting AI vs. raising/missing and losing those raise chips?)

I guess I always tightened my hand requirements/pushing ranges with no SB. A big leak I guess from what you're saying...

curtains 12-26-2005 12:49 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 

Your opponents stack is the relevant one, not mine. Also I didnt see there was no SB, but its still an obvious push, just slightly less +EV.

microbet 12-26-2005 12:59 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
You knew you were't pushing into the 2600 stack when you said pushing was the only option, right? Of course.

Congrats on post 6000!

Snarf 12-26-2005 01:00 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 
[ QUOTE ]

Your opponents stack is the relevant one, not mine. Also I didnt see there was no SB, but its still an obvious push, just slightly less +EV.

[/ QUOTE ]

Missed the SB's stack. With ya. Thanks.

curtains 12-26-2005 01:50 AM

Re: Standard? 33
 

I knew the guy had like 800-900 chips. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


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