ITM hand, limped in w J10, flopped st8...
 

2 table tourney, so we are ITM.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

SB (t14885)
BB (t3632)
UTG (t4956)
Hero (t3527)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t200, Hero calls t200, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t775) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t200</font>, BB calls t200, UTG calls t200, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1200</font>, SB calls t1000, BB folds, UTG folds.

Turn: (t3575) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t600</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ??

Re: ITM hand, limped in w J10, flopped st8...
 

I like the flop raise. You got a card you did not want to see on the turn, but I would still go ahead and push because I don't think your 2100 stack is going to do you a ton of good at this point in the tournament.

I would also fold pre-flop.

Re: ITM hand, limped in w J10, flopped st8...
 

I think he has the flush virtually every time here, and if not the flush then a boat. The best you can hope for is that he's playing trip 8's like this. No reads? I'd fold and hate it. Calling pretty much commits you to calling a river bet, so I'd conserve the 2100 you have left.

Although he does have a huge stack, and could be trying to push you off of the hand when a scare card hits. I think this is more likely at the higher buy-ins, so I think a read is pretty important here. Unless he's this type of player, I think you're drawing dead almost always here. And he doesn't seem like the tricky type of player based on his bet sizes (more like a calling station).

Edit: I really don't think he has the boat actually.... His bet size tells me he has the flush or an 8. The flush seems way more likely though as I doubt he'd min-bet into 4 people and call a big raise with bottom pair. I think you could argue a call or a push if he's a total donk, but I still think the flush is more likely.

Re: ITM hand, limped in w J10, flopped st8...
 

I think you need to push here. You should be playing for first place and you wouldn't be playing for first if you fold to the possibility of being against a flush or full house. He's not desperate for chips but taking down this pot would help immensely and let you do some bullying.

Re: ITM hand, limped in w J10, flopped st8...
 

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I think he has the flush virtually every time here, and if not the flush then a boat. The best you can hope for is that he's playing trip 8's like this. No reads? I'd fold and hate it. Calling pretty much commits you to calling a river bet, so I'd conserve the 2100 you have left.

Although he does have a huge stack, and could be trying to push you off of the hand when a scare card hits. I think this is more likely at the higher buy-ins, so I think a read is pretty important here. Unless he's this type of player, I think you're drawing dead almost always here. And he doesn't seem like the tricky type of player based on his bet sizes (more like a calling station).

Edit: I really don't think he has the boat actually.... His bet size tells me he has the flush or an 8. The flush seems way more likely though as I doubt he'd min-bet into 4 people and call a big raise with bottom pair. I think you could argue a call or a push if he's a total donk, but I still think the flush is more likely.

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nice analysis - i pretty much felt he had a flush. of course, i pushed nonetheless, hahaha. he had 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Re: ITM hand, limped in w J10, flopped st8...
 

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I think you need to push here.

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Agreed.

T1400 in the pot and you bet T1200. IMO you're asking for someone to draw out with the flush. I push here for 3x the pot and am happy to take it down or have one person make an FTP error here

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nice analysis - i pretty much felt he had a flush. of course, i pushed nonetheless, hahaha. he had 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

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gross

Re: ITM hand, limped in w J10, flopped st8...
 

Classic situation - You are either way ahead or way behind. If you push the only hand that calls that is behind is trips. I call the turn and reevaluate on the river.