$100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

Villain in this hand is a LAG preflop: 33/17.36 PFR but 1.36 postflop aggression. He's been raising my big blind every single time it's folded around to him in the SB. He's also been open raising from the cutoff a lot, and I've been reraising anything decent from the button, and I think he's getting tired of it.


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em (NL$100) <font color="#0000FF">(6 handed)</font> link

SB ($151.85)
BB ($52.15)
UTG ($191.75)
MP ($102.95)
CO ($270.92)
Hero ($227.95)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20.00</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $66.00</font>, Hero calls $50.00.

Flop: ($141.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO pushes all in for $110 more, Hero...?

Re: $100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

call. once you called that preflop 3 bet, you pretty much can't fold here.

Re: $100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

why didnt you fold/push instead of calling his reraise preflop?

were you trying to induce a flop bluff from him, and didnt want to push him off the hand yet? or were you really considering a fold?
either way, given the preflop call, i call flop everytime, everytime, but i think you proablly ran into some bad luck

Re: $100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

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Why didnt you fold/push instead of calling his reraise preflop?

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I really dislike getting all in preflop with QQ, I would much rather call and play poker on the flop. The problem is that it really allows him to play perfectly against me... he calls with AA/KK and folds everything else. That said, given that I have no idea what his preflop reraising standards are, maybe a fold here has something to say for it.

Re: $100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

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Why didnt you fold/push instead of calling his reraise preflop?

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I really dislike getting all in preflop with QQ, I would much rather call and play poker on the flop. The problem is that it really allows him to play perfectly against me... he calls with AA/KK and folds everything else. That said, given that I have no idea what his preflop reraising standards are, maybe a fold here has something to say for it.

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the problem with the call the flop 3 bet line is that lets say flop comes Kxx or Axx, and he pushes JJ or TT?

I think if you know he'll push AK in to all under flop, calling the 3 bet is ok but otherwise I like pushing.

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the problem with the call the flop 3 bet line is that lets say flop comes Kxx or Axx, and he pushes JJ or TT?


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If he pushes when there's a good chance that I have AK given how I've played so far, then I fold.
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I think if you know he'll push AK in to all under flop, calling the 3 bet is ok but otherwise I like pushing

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Re: $100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

The numbers you posted do not add up correctly.

Your reraise was too big.

Once there's $144 in the pot, you can't worry about letting your opponent correctly fold against you. Letting them see three cards could cost you your stack.

I don't think he is going to fold after making it $66 to go preflop, and I would bet that he wins the hand more often than you do.

Re: $100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

hmm thats a good point there about him not knowing you might have AK.

I don't know its a tough spot but I think I make the call more often than not.

it sucks having the T out there though.

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Why didnt you fold/push instead of calling his reraise preflop?

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I really dislike getting all in preflop with QQ, I would much rather call and play poker on the flop. The problem is that it really allows him to play perfectly against me... he calls with AA/KK and folds everything else. That said, given that I have no idea what his preflop reraising standards are, maybe a fold here has something to say for it.

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this is a tough spot. you have NO idea what he has on the flop which is why i dont think you can jsut call and play poker postflop. i would decide if my queens were good, (given your read i say they are) and then get it all in.

so you called and he showed TT or AK?

edit- last two posts pretty much beat me to my point

Re: $100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

btw, I think you should give serious considerations to laying down to the preflop 3 bet if you haven't seen it before.

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The numbers you posted do not add up correctly.

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You're right, my converter has an error when it tries to convert all in action so I usually just go from memory as to the amounts. His push was for 200 and I called $157 or so.

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Your reraise was too big.

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How much would you make it here, like $16?

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I don't think he is going to fold after making it $66 to go preflop, and I would bet that he wins the hand more often than you do.

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So you're folding to his 3 bet then?

Re: $100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

Reraising to $12 is my default. It is roughly pot-sized.

When a guy puts 66 bets in preflop for the first time, QQ does not look good. Obviously anything is possible, but how wide does his hand range need to be just for you to break even against it? Something like AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK... in order for you to actually show a profit against his range of hands, you need to add in 99, AQ, and worse... and you actually need him to get his entire stack in with those hands. I don't see that happening based upon your description.

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Something like AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, AK... in order for you to actually show a profit against his range of hands, you need to add in 99, AQ, and worse... and you actually need him to get his entire stack in with those hands.

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This is an excellent point. I need to start thinking about things in these terms.

Results
 

Villain had AA. I didn't improve. I really think I should've folded preflop to his 3bet, but you know, heat of the moment and all that. At least I set a new record for the biggest pot I've lost. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Results
 

wow, my read was really bad. guess you just chalk that one up as a good play by villain.

Re: $100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

Villain may have LAG numbers pf, but have you seen him reraise like this pf ever?

I think that was the most important information in this hand.

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Raise to $12-$16 PF, fold to the 3-bet. The equity from your situation if he is rarely 3-betting is that it allows you to take his $4 most of the time. Why give it all back? He has AA, KK, QQ or AK here every. Just fold. You're stacks are deep enough that this you are never going to get his chips with a lesser hand except maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe JJ and you will always lose your stack to a better hand.

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guess you just chalk that one up as a good play by villain.

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Nah, more like bad play by me.

Re: $100 NL 6max QQ versus LAG w/ 200+BB stacks
 

Given your read on the villain if you are not going to push preflop then you have to call on this flop. He'll have AK, JJ and various other hands you beat well more than often enough to make this call profitable.

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call. once you called that preflop 3 bet, you pretty much can't fold here.

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