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08-27-2005 01:36 AM

Heads up pocket 66, call the all in, right move?
 
I was the small blind and I am heads up I have 4800 chips, my opponent has 4200 chips. He is a solid, aggressive player. Will go all in with face face, A high, or a pocket pair. The blinds are 100 and 200.

I have 66 in the SB. I raise to 500. He goes all in. Do I call or fold here?

08-27-2005 01:56 AM

Re: Heads up pocket 66, call the all in, right move?
 
bump

Chaostracize 08-27-2005 01:57 AM

Re: Heads up pocket 66, call the all in, right move?
 
Fold.

08-27-2005 02:00 AM

Re: Heads up pocket 66, call the all in, right move?
 
Yes, Fold. I would wait for a stronger hand here. Never be in a rush

08-27-2005 02:10 AM

Re: Heads up pocket 66, call the all in, right move?
 
Very easy fold for me. You're either a coin flip or a major dog. The beauty of small to medium pocket pairs heads up is only when you are first in.

08-27-2005 02:30 AM

Re: Heads up pocket 66, call the all in, right move?
 
thanks for the replies guys, makes sense. I play mostly limit so I wasnt sure what to do in this situation.

thesharpie 08-27-2005 08:44 AM

Re: Heads up pocket 66, call the all in, right move?
 
This is the first time I've tried calculating something like this so bear with me, forgive and correct any errors please.

We need ~39% equity to breakeven and I'm pretty sure we have more than that against his range. Here is a quick pokerstove run against a conservative range, I think his range is wider given the description:

1,797,919,200 games 2.553 secs 704,237,837 games/sec
equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 45.1217 % [ 00.45 00.01 ] { 66 }
Hand 2: 54.8783 % [ 00.54 00.01 ] { AA-55, AKs-A7s, KQs-KJs, AKo-A9o, KQo-KJo }

I think we're losing ~T282 (4700*.06) if he has this range. If we think we're better and can make up more than this then I guess we should fold, but with the stacks at 22BB and going up to 15BB shortly one would think more luck is involved, so should we really pass up on this edge here?

Once again someone correct any errors please.

Edit: Against a more liberal range (any pair, KJo+, KTs+, A5s+, A7o+) we have almost over a 10% equity edge more than we need, losing around 2 1/2 BB by folding (T493). Excuse rounding offs and inaccuracy.

08-27-2005 09:12 AM

Re: Heads up pocket 66, call the all in, right move?
 
thesharpie, I think this fails to take the real dynamics of heads up into account. My thinking is that we have a large amount of chips if we fold, which is plenty to work with heads up. It's just not worth putting first place at risk on what is almost certainly a coin flip, and could be a 4 to 1 dog. I guess if you are not at all confident in your heads up lay it could be worth flipping a coin, but I am self-delusional enough that I'd rather fold here and keep getting into the pot first and feeling out my opponent for a place to make a move (or find AA [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]).

johnnybeef 08-27-2005 09:43 AM

Re: Heads up pocket 66, call the all in, right move?
 
If he's really that tight, hes playing terribly, and you need to fold. You should be able to abuse him.

applejuicekid 08-27-2005 10:21 AM

Re: Heads up pocket 66, call the all in, right move?
 
I think this is a call given the hand range you gave. I would call here anyway, Also, he said his opponent was solid and I don't think his pushing range there is that tight with the blinds only at 100/200.


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