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pokerjoker 12-07-2005 03:28 PM

KK blind defense...new line
 
I've been playing kinda LAG...the easy way to tell this is that I am down money [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]......

Villians pf aggression was quite low. So I was about to reraise to $20. I thought for a sec and couldn't think of many hands he would call $20 with that he definately wouldn't call allin with, so.......

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($201.65)
UTG+1 ($246.90)
MP1 ($210.20)
MP2 ($193.30)
MP3 ($184.83)
CO ($248.57)
Button ($333.60)
SB ($264.35)
Hero ($157.45)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $155.45 (All-In)

MINETZ 12-07-2005 03:29 PM

Re: KK blind defense...new line
 
he prolly wouldnt call with anything except KK-AA, maybe QQ. You lose all your value because he will take a flop with hands you have skulled. ALso why do u not have 200 on the table?

SmileyEH 12-07-2005 03:32 PM

Re: KK blind defense...new line
 
Reraising to $20 is a really bad play. Raise to $30 to kill set odds. There's nothing I love more than raising ducks on the button and getting priced in for an inevitable stacking every 8 flops.

-SmileyEH

swarm 12-07-2005 03:39 PM

Re: KK blind defense...new line
 
Is this how you have been playing? Going all in?

Just make a raise, you said you have a LAG image, I think you would be surprised what he would call with. Hardly anyone is calling an all in.

-Skeme- 12-07-2005 03:47 PM

Re: KK blind defense...new line
 
[ QUOTE ]
Reraising to $20 is a really bad play. Raise to $30 to kill set odds. There's nothing I love more than raising ducks on the button and getting priced in for an inevitable stacking every 8 flops.

[/ QUOTE ]

Raising to $30: 1.8:1 odds.
Raising to $20: 2.5:1 odds.

Hitting a set: 7.5:1 odds.

How are we pricing him out? Does your example deal with effective odds?

tdomeski 12-07-2005 03:53 PM

Re: KK blind defense...new line
 
raise to $28 or just call pre flop. yeah i said just call. pushing is stupid if you like money, might as well just fold.

swarm 12-07-2005 04:18 PM

Re: KK blind defense...new line
 
Got to raise this more preflop, make it at least 30 with 3 limpers.

A 3bet is going to pot commit you, You have to bet at least 150. That would put over 50% of your stack in the middle.

OOP this is going to get ugly. All 3betting does is gets you committed versus a set and folds out hands you beat unless you put him on a draw. I don't see a flush draw doing this too often however.

Given the fact he min-raised with a player waiting to act after him i'm probably folding. If you had raised more preflop however and gotten HU, i'm calling and check raising all in on the turn.

Leptyne 12-07-2005 04:20 PM

Re: KK blind defense...new line
 
Might as well fold.

pokerjoker 12-07-2005 04:23 PM

Re: KK blind defense...new line
 
[ QUOTE ]
Got to raise this more preflop, make it at least 30 with 3 limpers.

A 3bet is going to pot commit you, You have to bet at least 150. That would put over 50% of your stack in the middle.

OOP this is going to get ugly. All 3betting does is gets you committed versus a set and folds out hands you beat unless you put him on a draw. I don't see a flush draw doing this too often however.

Given the fact he min-raised with a player waiting to act after him i'm probably folding. If you had raised more preflop however and gotten HU, i'm calling and check raising all in on the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

lol

pokerjoker 12-07-2005 04:25 PM

Re: KK blind defense...new line
 
thx for the advice, in the next few hands almost the exact same thing happened. I had KK again...I pushed again and same guy called, I get excited. Hand finished and we split the pot KK vs KK.

Raising to 30 sounds good.
That gives him bad odds if he has low pp.

I guess I was hoping to get a call here from
JJ/QQ/AK

or maybe maybe some total donkey hand.

but I think y'all are right.


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