10/20 SB Hand 2
 

Assume no reads. There probably were, I just can't recall them.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls.

Flop: (7 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Re: 10/20 SB Hand 2
 

I fold the turn

also, I think if you are going to post 5 hands all from the same situation (SB), you should do it in one thread

Re: 10/20 SB Hand 2
 

my bad. I got too excited...

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No reads on villian, fold the turn.

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my bad. I got too excited...

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it happens [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Also, i think its just as much for you as it is the forum. As I think it would give you better responses since you are trying to get input from a particular situation.

Re: 10/20 SB Hand 2
 

Folding the turn is ok as people have suggested, but if you did have some kind of read that he was an aggressive player then I think the calldown is fine.

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I would definetly fold the turn

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You missed this flop and your OOP. The hand always belongs to the guy with position unless you can take it away. It costs money to take it away unless your up against a passive opponent or he's got a lot of respect for your bets and he misses the flop.

Default:
Check/fold the flop is OK.
Check/call the flop is OK.
Bet/call the flop is so so.

Your actual decision should depend a lot on your table image with MP at the moment. Does he think you'll only bet with a Jack or a heart draw? Does he think you'll bet with any overcards, even unsuited, etc.

If you make it to the turn, check/fold.

Re: 10/20 SB Hand 2
 

why do you keep saying this? 3-betting oop then check/folding the flop is just awful. betting these flops is a no brainer.

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why do you keep saying this? 3-betting oop then check/folding the flop is just awful. betting these flops is a no brainer.

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I strongly agree, check-folding this flop is HORRIBLE.

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This boggles me, do you ever play 10/20, or poker for that matter?

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I don't quite understand check/folding the turn (this line was stated before TomBrooks who's insane). Villain has shown no aggression postflop yet. Secondly, it is 5handed and he is really the cutoff, so this could just as easily be a blind steal. I've always thought, even OOP, that betting out was correct. I could be wrong, but check/folding the turn cannot be correct.

Re: 10/20 SB Hand 2
 

i like calling down with this flop and turn

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Villain has shown no aggression postflop yet.

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he raised the flop

Re: 10/20 SB Hand 2
 

My mistake, I assumed it was a bet/call flop. In this case, check/folding looks like a possibility, especially with no reads. He could still be popping the flop because it was a somewhat low flop and he's trying to scare off ak-aq without having a pair himself.

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This boggles me, do you ever play 10/20, or poker for that matter?

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I always figured he was like the antithesis of AggroHUSHPoster. Yaknow, a yin to the yang type thing.

Re: 10/20 SB Hand 2
 

No one that likes to 3bet the flop? I often do and it's often succesfull. He could be raising with many hands trying to take the command of the pot. If you 3bet you can often get him to fold lower pocket pairs.

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You missed this flop and your OOP. The hand always belongs to the guy with position unless you can take it away. It costs money to take it away unless your up against a passive opponent or he's got a lot of respect for your bets and he misses the flop.


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How did you get to 3300+ posts posting stuff like this?

Checking this flop after three-betting is the worst of your two options.

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How did you get to 3300+ posts posting stuff like this?
Checking this flop after three-betting is the worst of your two options.

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I would possibly answer your question donger, and I would normally be glad to discuss the hand with you; but I have found there are far too many wiseass's such as yourself in this forum for it to be to my liking and I have chosen to refrain from further posting here for a while.

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How did you get to 3300+ posts posting stuff like this?
Checking this flop after three-betting is the worst of your two options.

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I would possibly answer your question donger, and I would normally be glad to discuss the hand with you; but I have found there are far too many wiseass's such as yourself in this forum for it to be to my liking and I have chosen to refrain from further posting here for a while.

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It has nothing to do with forum wiseasses. Your advice is consistently terrible. I have never seen a well-thought out post with good logic or math behind it from you. I hope you are true to your word about not posting.

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My beef with this post is that you are authoritatively posting wildly inaccurate information. If you are going to post advice this bad, at least throw in some phrases like "i think" or "in my opinion."

We aren't being wiseasses, your advice is horrible. If you were this wrong and not being so cocky about it, people might be more apt to help you get things right.

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I would normally be glad to discuss the hand with you; but I have found there are far too many wiseass's such as yourself in this forum for it to be to my liking

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It has nothing to do with forum wiseasses. Your advice is consistently terrible. I hope you are true to your word about not posting.

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It most certainly does have to do with wiseasses, 7online. Why would I want to associate with an obnoxious person such as yourself and that other guy I replied to above. If I was with you in person, I would bitch slap you, tell you to go f'k yourself, or just walk away from you.

If you were the last person on earth to talk about poker with, I would not associate with you if you talked to me like that. I don't want to put up with your posted insults, regardless of how much you know about poker. I prefer not to associate with people like you. Get it?

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It most certainly does have to do with wiseasses, 7online. Why would I want to associate with an obnoxious person such as yourself and that other guy I replied to above. If I was with you in person, I would bitch slap you, tell you to go f'k yourself, or just walk away from you.

If you were the last person on earth to talk about poker with, I would not associate with you if you talked to me like that. I don't want to put up with your posted insults, regardless of how much you know about poker. I prefer not to associate with people like you. Get it?

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You sound like an impressive guy. Wouldn't want to meet you in real life lest I get bitch-slapped. You don't want to associate with me, fine. Stop posting like you said you would. Not that it matters, but I don't recall posting anything about you personally. I have no idea who you are, and I don't care; your posts on this board ARE terrible.

Whatever, I'm done replying to this troll.

Re: 10/20 SB Hand 2
 

I see you decided not to take my advice tom [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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I see you decided not to take my advice tom [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Hi DMB, I can't specifically remember offhand what your advice was, but if people would stop responding to my post, in particular with insulting and/or otherwise deragatory wisecracks attached, I will discontinue posting in this thread and probably in this whole forum for a while.

But here's an alternative idea I just got. If I get any more responses with an implied or overt nasty tone to it, I might change my mind and make this my new home. And I've been being nice so far. If that happens, you might get to see me when I lose my patience. Lets see if any more poker smart but socially inept computer jockeys want to push my buttons.

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here

also, pot kettle black with the socially inept part, I think. it sucks they're being so harsh with their criticism of your posts, but youre stooping instead of using it to get better. but hey youre free to do whatever.

Re: 10/20 SB Hand 2
 

i know everyone on this thread hates each other and their mother, but can we please not flame in my thread :P. I'm feeling guilty cuz its the holiday season! Merry Christmas everyone.

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If I get any more responses with an implied or overt nasty tone to it, I might change my mind and make this my new home. And I've been being nice so far. If that happens, you might get to see me when I lose my patience. Lets see if any more poker smart but socially inept computer jockeys want to push my buttons.

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It's not nice to threaten a whole forum because you didn't like a few responses.

I will be as diplomatic as possible (not a wiseass and not nasty) because I don't want to see you lose your patience or your account.

The advice you've given in this thread and in Drontier's hand #3 is only right if there were no pot in the middle of the table. In that case, if we're less than 50% to have the best hand, then folding is correct. You don't seem to understand the concept of pot odds. 3-betting preflop with a hand like AK and check/folding a rag flop, leaving behind 7 bets, is just wrong. The players contesting your advice are VERY GOOD players. They understand what hands are worth in relation to the pot.

For example, if someone came by the table with a suitcase and dumped $1,000,000 into the pot, would you still suggest check/folding as a default? How about $10,000? or $100? There has to be a threshold at which you would see the value of betting, calling or raising. The rest of us see that threshold at much less than 7 small bets and that is why we think it's absolutely ridiculous to check/fold after 3-betting with any hand at all.