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Ray_bob 12-28-2005 10:41 PM

first hand of single-table 10
 
***** Hand History for Game 3277318702 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:18689347 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, December 28, 21:38:19 EDT 2005
Table Table 68191 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: FABIO_ ( $800 )
Seat 7: cklein6 ( $800 )
Seat 3: bsmoked ( $800 )
Seat 5: herefshyfshy ( $800 )
Seat 2: trvi99 ( $800 )
Seat 4: layla72111 ( $800 )
Seat 10: jcomito ( $800 )
Seat 6: Ticica ( $800 )
Seat 9: raystay ( $800 )
Seat 8: johnvander ( $800 )
Trny:18689347 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to raystay [ Ts Tc ]
Ticica folds.
cklein6 folds.
johnvander folds.
raystay raises [45].
jcomito folds.
FABIO_ folds.
>You have options at Table 67221 Table!.
trvi99 raises [75].
bsmoked folds.
>You have options at Table 68069 Table!.
layla72111 folds.
herefshyfshy folds.
>You have options at Table 67221 Table!.
raystay calls [30].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 8h, 7d ]
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raystay checks.
trvi99 bets [200].
raystay raises [400].
trvi99 is all-In [525]
raystay is all-In [325]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 7h ]

12-28-2005 10:43 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
HOnestly... first hand I fold TT, maybe limp if i am late and can but on a party low limit i limp/fold

Ray_bob 12-28-2005 10:49 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
wow, this is shocking to me. could you please explain further as to why you would play so conservativly?

mosdef 12-28-2005 10:55 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
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wow, this is shocking to me. could you please explain further as to why you would play so conservativly?

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See my post about playing TT in the other thread on the front page.

12-28-2005 11:00 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
Folding TT here is just being stupid. You can play weak - and you can play too weak.
It's fine to limp. I'd raise to t60 though.

I'm probably check-folding the flop.

mosdef 12-28-2005 11:04 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
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It's fine to limp. I'd raise to t60 though.

I'm probably check-folding the flop.

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This is a bad idea. You will get too many callers and you end up playing for set value, just at a higher price than if you limp.

12-28-2005 11:09 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
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This is a bad idea. You will get too many callers and you end up playing for set value, just at a higher price than if you limp.

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Whatever works for you.

Slim Pickens 12-28-2005 11:10 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
Uh... if you're going to see a flop with TT, you better not fold to all undercards without a serious read, which you probably won't have on the first hand. Also, limping rather than raising preflop keeps the pot smaller, which will keep you out of a lot of trouble with marginal holdings such as TT.

12-28-2005 11:14 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
I don't fold all flops with undercards. I fold when I suspect that I'm beat. This villains betting pattern is enough for me to lay down TT.

mosdef 12-28-2005 11:15 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
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I don't fold all flops with undercards. I fold when I suspect that I'm beat. This villains betting pattern is enough for me to lay down TT.

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You are aware that this is a 10+1? And that you just made a read based on the villain's "betting pattern"?

Slim Pickens 12-28-2005 11:18 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
He is betting as though he has an overpair, but in an 11, I'm less likely to believe he has AA-JJ (he's representing AA/KK) than some random holding like 44 he thinks is the nuts.

12-28-2005 11:24 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
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You are aware that this is a 10+1? And that you just made a read based on the villain's "betting pattern"?

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I guess this is the reason you don't raise with TT. If you can't get away from TT against this action, then you should just limp.

12-28-2005 11:47 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
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This is a bad idea. You will get too many callers and you end up playing for set value, just at a higher price than if you limp.

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I agree. I also recommend doing the same with JJ early in $11-$22. If you want to raise people out of the pot (to win what, t25?) - raise 125-175. However, best play is - limp, fold if raised, fold if miss the set.

mosdef 12-28-2005 11:54 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
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If you want to raise people out of the pot (to win what, t25?) - raise 125-175.

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The idea is not to raise everyone out of the pot, but rather to narrow down the field to a single opponent. When you do this you can profitably bet many flops because 2/3 of the time the flop will miss villain. I am not advocating this play in this spot, I'm just explaining the logic of the raise. It's an important distinction. In one case, you are trying to steal the blinds. In the other, you are generating a pot worth stealing on the flop by picking up (hopefully!) one and only one calller.

el_dusto 12-28-2005 11:57 PM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
First hand with TT, I generally raise about 30 percent of the time and limp 70 percent. They don't generally pay off unless you hit a sneaky set.

After that flop, I don't know about your reraise, but most of all, I hate your all-in call. I am more than happy to let <t100 go and wait for a better spot than to blow my stack on a pocket pair with a scary board. Between the PF raises and the post-flop show of strength, I'm afraid of a flopped set or a better pair.

12-29-2005 12:04 AM

Re: first hand of single-table 10
 
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you are generating a pot worth stealing on the flop by picking up (hopefully!) one and only one calller.

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I'm not advocating this play either. I'm also not going to try and pick up some chips on such a bluff this early on. Plus, it doesn't always work - earlier today I raised t125 with AQs in MP2 (in $22 SnG) and got 4 callers...


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