QQ on K flop,heads up
 

1/2$,hero has Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in BB, 6 handed
no read ,only played a few hands but this guy had raised most preflop

Fold,MP limps,fold,fold,sb raises,i reraise,MP folds, sb calls

FLOP:2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

sb bets, i call,
what the hell do i do here? raise? he could be betting a lesser hand i suppose

TURN:A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
yuk, he bets, i call
i felt like folding but that would be daft without a good read soi was resigned to calling down

RIVER:3s
he bets,icall,

ok i felt like a total wimpoid caling station but honestly i hadnt a clue what to do

Re: QQ on K flop,heads up
 

either raise the turn or fold

Re: QQ on K flop,heads up
 

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either raise the turn or fold

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ok sounds good,but what is the reasoning?
won't i fold a worse hand by doing this and just get reraised by a better hand?
If you get reraised are you definetly folding?

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either raise the turn or fold

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ok sounds good,but what is the reasoning?
won't i fold a worse hand by doing this and just get reraised by a better hand?
If you get reraised are you definetly folding?

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yeah, no reason to raise turn. either call down or fold. there are few outs to any hands behind you except for the flush draw (which you won't be able to knock out anyway). if you decide to play the hand, you want to call the turn to induce a river bluff by opponents w/a smaller pair or missed flush

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I think a flop raise is in order for three reasons.

First - you are probably ahead at this point. Putting money in the pot when you are ahead is a good thing.

Second, SB could be betting just about anything in this spot - any pair, any paint that hit or missed, or complete cheese. Raising the villian on the flop will give you a little more information on his hand. He could still 3-bet you with a lower pocket pair (or worse) or wait until the turn to check/raise you with AA/AK/KK/44/22/clubs, but it helps.

Third, it can potentially get you to showdown for likely 2BB assuming you check behind on the turn and call a river bet.

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either raise the turn or fold

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Raising the turn would be horrible. Hero is clearly either way ahead or way behind. The hands he is ahead of will almost certainly fold to a turn raise and the hands hes behind will almost certainly 3bet.

I think the best line would have been to raise the flop. If villian just calls you are probably ahead and if he 3bets I think you can let it go on the turn.

Given hero's flop call, I would usually just call down, but I'm sure many 1/2 players are passive enough that you can safely fold when he still bets the turn.

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Call down. This way you allow villain to bluff off his chips when you're ahead, and you lose the minimum when you're behind. You also get to showdown and see how villain plays whatever hand he has, which is valuable information.

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I think a flop raise is in order for three reasons.

First - you are probably ahead at this point. Putting money in the pot when you are ahead is a good thing.

Second, SB could be betting just about anything in this spot - any pair, any paint that hit or missed, or complete cheese. Raising the villian on the flop will give you a little more information on his hand. He could still 3-bet you with a lower pocket pair (or worse) or wait until the turn to check/raise you with AA/AK/KK/44/22/clubs, but it helps.

Third, it can potentially get you to showdown for likely 2BB assuming you check behind on the turn and call a river bet.


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hmmm you seem to be contradicting yourself here,if you raise the flop and are just called then you say you should take a free card on the turn?
but 1st you said to raise the flop as you probably have the best hand,so why would you then check the turn?

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but I'm sure many 1/2 players are passive enough that you can safely fold when he still bets the turn

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not a chance im folding this on the turn after just calling the flop,why wouldnt someone with say TT take another shot at this?

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Sometimes calling down really is the best plan when the pot is large and you're either way ahead or way behind. It allows you to induce a bluff from an aggressive player, when a raise from you allows all better hands to 3-bet and worse hands to fold.

When the A hits the turn though, I really want to vomit. You're getting effective odds of 3.25:1 to call down here with two overcards and aggressive (probably solid but you don't give us a read) player. Against an unknown like this I'd call down because the slight -EV of it could be made up by my ability to get a read for future hands. If I have a read that he's a pretty solid type and not overly tricky, I might find a fold on the turn.