Fancy play syndrome - take two
 

On the river I'm very sure villain does not have a J, and I want it to look like I do. Is this a good play every now and again or just chip spewing?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($99.05)</font>
SB ($99.75)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($85.49)</font>
UTG ($106.71)
<font color="#C00000">MP ($0)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($20.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($20.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $21</font>...

All comments welcome.

The Doc

Re: Fancy play syndrome - take two
 

bet the turn

Re: Fancy play syndrome - take two
 

I dunno, villain played the hand like I would expect many players at this level to play a jack. Of course, that wasn't your question, so disregard this at your leisure. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Re: Fancy play syndrome - take two
 

I dont like it, its very likely that villain has a J.
I like it up until the river.

Re: Fancy play syndrome - take two
 

I agree with other responders; this is exactly how weak players play a J. I guess he didn't have one given the tone of your post, but still risky.

That said, this play is a very big part of my game against weak players. It works much better when they make it clear that they don't have the trips i.e. betting out quickly into a paired flop with no draws possible. Against weak players this is almost 100% a pure bluff or two pair, and most weak players have learned that a call on the flop followed by a raise on the turn here means trips, and they tend to think for a while and proudly fold.

Re: Fancy play syndrome - take two
 

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On the river I'm very sure villain does not have a J, and I want it to look like I do. Is this a good play every now and again or just chip spewing?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">Hero ($99.05)</font>
SB ($99.75)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($85.49)</font>
UTG ($106.71)
<font color="#C00000">MP ($0)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $6</font>, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($20.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($20.50) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $21</font>...

All comments welcome.

The Doc

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Are you trying to represent quad Jacks? Other than that hand, what could you possibly hold that you would have raised to $4 preflop with? AJ?

I think this play is unlikely to work against a thinking opponent, but that doesn't mean that it would work quite a bit depending on competition.

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if the villian is the same guy as the last one then this play is so bad. You can't make moves forever. The only thing I could see being worse than that is if you were showing these

I hate any strategy that is always trying to make a play at a pot. I stay agressive but these double and triple barrel bluffs aren't really +ev

I hate this play, you may have won but I still don't like it. Do you really need to do stuff like this to win at 50$ NL?

Re: Fancy play syndrome - take two
 

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Are you trying to represent quad Jacks? Other than that hand, what could you possibly hold that you would have raised to $4 preflop with? AJ?

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I'm the button in a 5 handed game. I'm raising anything from 9J to AJ here.

The Doc

Re: Fancy play syndrome - take two
 

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bet the turn

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If I bet the turn it's too easy for villain to c/r with just a flush draw or straight draw trying to represent a J (and has plenty of outs if I stick around).

The Doc

Re: Fancy play syndrome - take two
 

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if the villian is the same guy as the last one then this play is so bad.

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He's not.

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Do you really need to do stuff like this to win at 50$ NL?

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Nope. Nor at 100NL either. But every so often I like to try things like this when the situation feels right.

The Doc