Is 5k sng\'s played enough?
 

I recently hit my 5000th sng played. I was actually kind of shocked to see some of my hand percentages and other misc data I have accumulated with poker tracker and sng tracker.

1. My percentages with the top tier hands is low

Hand occurrences win%

a/a 927 73.58
k/k 906 68.63
q/q 864 76.39
j/j 777 56.57
t/t 849 59.43
9/9 837 57.84
8/8 825 59.49
7/7 885 50.00
6/6 810 42.86
5/5 894 27.52
4/4 804 30.60
3/3 846 25.53
2/2 870 22.76

a/ks 498 57.35
a/ko 1683 58.70
a/qs 552 57.07
a/qo 1791 46.90


Any observations, comments, or suggestions here?

My guess for when the data, mainly a/a and k/k, becomes more accurate is a simple one. When the occurrences between like hands gets closer in occurrences then the percentage should be more accurate. Is that proper thinking? And if not at what point is it very (within 1% or so) accurate?

2. ITM and ROI question


Over the first few hundred sngs my ITM was way up and down, understandably. Since approx the 1000th game played it is basically a flat line at 41.5%. But my roi seems awful low for that ITM range. ROI is at 10%. SNGS played are between 10's and 100's (200's to little played to gauge anything other than I ran good for the 5 I played in)

Game played ITM

10's 1344 39.76
20's 800 39.20
30's 1770 45.19
50's 853 42.05
100's 228 29.41
200's 5 100.00

My guess is that my insane down swing I had during my 100 stint is overall killing my ROI that I am making in the 30/50 level. Or is it because of my a/a and k/k being lower than they should be on win rate over the 5000 played? Or guess it could be a combination of both.

Should I be making multi databases when I do sng tracker? One for each lvl of play, because as of now other than manually going through every tournament I have no way of figuring ROI at each buy in. I know poker tracker does that, but I still to this day have not figured out how to use yahoo mail and get the hand histories out of there, hehe.

One more note to anyone that is starting out. A few things I learned along the way.

1. It isn't rigged
2. Cashing out does nada to your account
3. Play at your bankroll - and be disciplined about it. I play at 50x my bankroll. So if I have 5k in the account I play a 100 etc. If I cash out I go back down in game. But that is just my preference.
4. Control your emotions. I was that guy you saw constantly going on about bad beats, it is rigged; you suck, on and on and on. It accomplished nothing except making my self mad and not playing well. Plus it carried over to my personal life. It seemed like I was constantly on edge after I started playing poker. It took me a good 6 months of my 1 year stint online to learn this lesson. And it is by far and away the most valuable I have learned.

JJ

Re: Is 5k sng\'s played enough?
 

are these hand win percentages win-at-showdown, or overall win-pot?

Re: Is 5k sng\'s played enough?
 

u can make filters in sng tracker for each buyin level

get your roi/itm separately for each buy-in

u can have a -roi with 40%itm if all of your itms are 3rds...the higher your roi/itm ratio, the more your finishes lean toward 1st instead of 3rd

Re: Is 5k sng\'s played enough?
 

haha.... i thought after the wcoop winner thread, this thread was are asking "are the 5k sng's played enough" with bad grammar.

Re: Is 5k sng\'s played enough?
 

over all win percentage, not at showdown. Showdown is less for every hand for obvious reasons.

JJ

Re: Is 5k sng\'s played enough?
 

yeah that was one thing I forgot to put in the post.

1st 14.3%
2nd 12.4%
3rd 14.8%

JJ

Re: Is 5k sng\'s played enough?
 

just glancing at your results with AA and KK--- is it possible that you might be playing too many multi-way pots with them?

Re: Is 5k sng\'s played enough?
 

How long did it take you to play 5000 games and how many at a time do you/did you play?

Re: Is 5k sng\'s played enough?
 

started my PP account on Oct 4th of 04. But only played a few a day 1 table at a time for my first few months. Once I got the bankroll and what I felt was the skill for the 30's I made a run at the leader board for July of 05. Played 4 at a time for no less than 4 hours a day in the 30's and 50's for almost every day of the month. Also played a lot of MTT's that month. Ended up making 29th that month on the leaderboard.

So I would guess that probably 4k of them were played between May of 05 to current.

JJ

Re: Is 5k sng\'s played enough?
 

maybe, but my PF raise percentage with them is at 88% and 85% respectively.

I will occasionally limp with them from UTG or even UTG+1 sometimes if the table warrents that. Also short handed will limp if aggressive player still to act. HU will limp or just call quite a bit with them. Actually don't have a problem folding either of them now a days if I raise them up PF and get multi callers, once again in the right situation.

Just mainly wondering at what point (hands played and/or sngs played) the data becomes more "real"? And if it is already real, then obviously I have some adjustments to make.

JJ