Queens
 

Hey fellas,

Wondering what you think about this hand. Flop/river are my most obvious issues here.

Only note on Villain is that he opened in the CO, I called in the BB with KT, c/red a T84 two-toned flop, he called, and then called down on a turn ace with QQ.

Tell me what you would do differently.

BTW, is there an Absolute converter? Thanks.

6-handed $1/2

Loose, bad player limps UTG. One fold, I raise in CO with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Folds to the Villain in the BB who calls, as does the limper.

Flop: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].

Villain bets and we both call.

Turn: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

Checked to me, I bet, and only Villain calls.

River T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

He checks and I check.

Re: Queens
 

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River T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

He checks and I check.

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I would most likely bet here, believing I was ahead. It's possible he paired up on the river and will call.

Re: Queens
 

i like it all. not much value in a river bet, imo.

there's an absolute converter somewhere. search for "fourthnut.com" converter or something on google. you have to reorder the players by seat to get it to work correctly.

Re: Queens
 

Villain has shown to be passive post-flop and will probably call down. His flop bet will almost always mean an ace but could also be a draw. The flush draw didn't hit on the river and only a moranically played straight draw got there. A bet will only make him fold a hand that you beat anyway, so checking the river is the play.

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not much value in a river bet, imo.

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Could you elaborate? I think his ace would keep pushing on the turn a good majority of the time. I expect him to show down a weaker pair a majority of the time when he calls a river bet.

Re: Queens
 

I dig - he's either got a busted [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] draw or a weak Ace.

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not much value in a river bet, imo.

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Could you elaborate? I think his ace would keep pushing on the turn a good majority of the time. I expect him to show down a weaker pair a majority of the time when he calls a river bet.

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After I played this hand I really thought I should've bet the river. But now I'm wavering. You bring up some good points however.

A few things I was thinking of:

1. I'm almost completely ruling out AK-A8, A3 given the preflop/flop play. I just wouldn't see him checking the turn with a fairly good ace given that I just called the flop.

2. His flop/turn play represents a draw a ton of the time.

3. So essentially, if we assume he has a draw a large % of the time, the crux of betting the river seems to be whether he paired up somewhere along the way, with JT or K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], etc.

Although this seems like a rare occurrence, I can't really see myself losing this hand the way the action played out (plus my read was only from playing with him for ~50 hands), so I think a bet is probably good here. Marginal, but good.