Standard?
 

Im pretty sure this is completely standard so dont go thinking ive got something interesting. Just a checkup....

5/106max, UTG is loose and bad, nothing really sticks out yet. read is unimportant anyways i think.


Preflop: UTG calls, MP raises, SB calls, I call in BB with 87o, UTG calls...

Flop: A85rainbow, checked around

Turn: A still rainbow, I bet, UTG thinks and calls, rest fold.

River: 3 I check, UTG bets, I turbo muck.


yes or no?

Re: Standard?
 

I think the river check fold is pretty awful. Either bet/fold or check/call. The guy has done nothing but check and call until the river and all the sudden you feel the need to turbo muck [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Re: Standard?
 

What hand could he have called me with on the turn other than an A.


He is not loose enough to be playing 67 UTG, no other draws out there.

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You'd be surprised.

Seriously though, how about 22,44,A3s, KQ that he thinks is the best hand?

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What hand could he have called me with on the turn other than an A.

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You'd be surprised.

Seriously though, how about 22,44,A3s, KQ that he thinks is the best hand?

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hmmm....i think the type of player that would call the turn with 22 or 44 would check thru on the river. A3s??? ill ignore that one...KQ? i dunno, he was 40/17 i think he would have raised any big Ks.

doesnt my play look exactly like i tried to CR the pfr? now im frustratedly betting out on the turn, certainly not bluffing into 4 players.

he is sitting with the A and he doesnt want to drive away customers drawing dead, so he flat calls.

i hate putting people on such narrow hand ranges, but in this situation i really cant see putting in any bets on the river.

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What hand could he have called me with on the turn other than an A.

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You'd be surprised.

Seriously though, how about 22,44,A3s, KQ that he thinks is the best hand?

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hmmm....i think the type of player that would call the turn with 22 or 44 would check thru on the river. A3s??? ill ignore that one...KQ? i dunno, he was 40/17 i think he would have raised any big Ks.

doesnt my play look exactly like i tried to CR the pfr? now im frustratedly betting out on the turn, certainly not bluffing into 4 players.

he is sitting with the A and he doesnt want to drive away customers drawing dead, so he flat calls.

i hate putting people on such narrow hand ranges, but in this situation i really cant see putting in any bets on the river.

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If I count right after a long night you are getting 7 to 1 on the river after UTG bets. Yes the scenario you describe is quite a likely scenario but it will be otherwise often enough to make a check/fold wrong. I'm with NLS on either bet/folding or check/calling depending on a more specific read. Against an unknown probably check/call and ensure a showdown.

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I fold PF

I'm with everyone else, I don't like check/fold river. bet/call or check/call. Your read is he is "loose and bad", you will almost certainely win this often enough to show a profit.

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no

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bob your avatar has me in stitches,
Brilliant!

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Cant beleive you are convinced he has an A, because he called a turn bet,
put yourself in his shoes,
flop is checked around,pfr hasnt bet, then the BB bets out when an A hits turn again,would you fold evey hand that hadn't an ace in it?