Laydown that I regret
 

This is from a Live Limit Tourney. $550 event 55 players at the bike.

My read on Seat 2 is that he is a fish. He bets when he has stuff, he calls when he shouldn't, he plays way too many hands, and he's not that hard to read. His read on me should be that I am a tight aggressive player. He has seen me play few hands, and play those hands aggressively or get out quick.

AK [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in MP. Folded to me, I raise, SB (seat 2) and BB both call.

Flop: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB bets, BB folds, I raise.

Turn: 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
He checks, I check.

River: A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
He bets, I quickly raise, he just as quickly 3bets. I fold.

I'd never make this fold online, but given the read I had on him and his quick bet, I folded. I also thought, "he's got to know exactly what I have, he can't be thinking that I'd fold an ace here." But I did, and I regret it. Should I?

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True, but few if any posters in MTT know dick about Limit. I'm the resident MTT Limit pro, which should tell you a little something about our dire needs.

Re: Laydown that I regret
 

In a cash game, very few players bluff 3-bet, and bad player virtually never. You made an excellent fold of a good but probably 2nd best hand.

Now, this is a tournament, so there may be some different dynamics at play. Was he short-stacked and giving up? Even in a limit game, short-stacks sometimes just "rack off", tossing he last of their money in the pot in a spot they know is -EV, because they are annoyed they are losing and just don't care.

This is much more common on the early streets than the river though. I think your fold was the right move.

good luck.
eric

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really bad fold.

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really clear fold.

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Re: Laydown that I regret
 

No one will ever expect anyone to be capable of folding an A, let alone AK. The player you described is not capable of 3 betting less than trips, and your fold is completely fine.

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River raise sucks IMO.
-James

Re: Laydown that I regret
 

You tell us he is a fish, but we really need to know how big? Is he utterly retarded enough to think A4 is the nuts here not realizing that his hand is no good? I doubt he is that bad which means your fold is good.

Re: Laydown that I regret
 

CSC,

I think you are underestimating alot of the MTT people. There are atleast 5-10 that are excellent limit MTT players.

Note: I'm a MTT donk like the rest of the MTT people, but here's my opinion.

Just because he's a fish, doesnt mean he puts you on ANYTHING. He very well may not be aware of anything aside from what is in his hand.

That said, it looks like he wanted to check raise your ass on the turn, and finished it off on the river.

I'd probably call for one more bet though. He could easily have Ax and YHIG.

Nick