Cause or effect? VPIP sliding
 

Over the past month or so (10K hands) my vpip has been steadily decreasing, from 19 to 16. PFR has remained at about 10. Am I passing up on too many equity edges?

When I first started reading the boards about a year ago, the 'norm' was about where I am now. Now most of you guys are in the 20+/12+ range. Is my learning curve that much slower, or am I looking for larger edges to push, and foregoing the marginal ones?

I'm still in the 11/12 PFR range from MP2 and later, but 6's and 7's up front. Natural evolution, or weak-tightness?

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You're avatar scares me.

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your spelling scares me.

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Your keep bumping into me scares me.

Seriously, I saw you at the casino, you only have 83 posts and I must've seen or replied to about 20 of them, some of them not recognizing the name until after I've posted.

I'm not a stalker either. [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

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It depends on the game. At 0.5/1 I was about 18/9, and the tables were generally 4 to the flop. At 1/2 I'm about 17/11, with the increased PFR due to the ability to isolate loose limpers. Your PFR will be high on tables where you can isolate, and on really loose tables (7 to the flop type where you can raise many suited hands for value in late position after lots of limpers). Don't explicitly try to play looser for the sake of playing looser, but do realize where some marginal edges that you may be passing up exist.

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Wow, someone from Waterloo... Never saw that before.
Student?

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Yep, going into 4th year of Electrical Engineering. You might want to PM Isura. I hear he's trying to set up a 2+2 home game in Waterloo.

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Over the past month or so (10K hands) my vpip has been steadily decreasing, from 19 to 16. PFR has remained at about 10. Am I passing up on too many equity edges?

When I first started reading the boards about a year ago, the 'norm' was about where I am now. Now most of you guys are in the 20+/12+ range. Is my learning curve that much slower, or am I looking for larger edges to push, and foregoing the marginal ones?

I'm still in the 11/12 PFR range from MP2 and later, but 6's and 7's up front. Natural evolution, or weak-tightness?

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probably both.

you might be self self-selecting certain tables that cause you to tighten up from EP a lot, or not allow you to play otherwise "limpable" hands either in EP or elsewhere.

or you may be passing up edges...

the "stats" of representing our game will change because of because of the games we are in and because of active effort (ie, learning more). i don't know whether this will be useful of pertinent, but here is my own data:

The images are my positional stats from 1/2 full and 3/6 full. They are hard (and interesting) to interpret for 2 reasons. First, I have been learning over this time period (over 1 year of play) and my game has evolved. Whether it has evolved for better or for worse is questionable, hopefully the former!. Second, the 1/2 game is somewhat different than the 3/6 game (though fundamentally the same imho).

Anyway, I have morphed from a 18.2/10.2 at 1/2 to 21.3/13.5 at 3/6.

Personally, I would say that the change has resulted from both active table selection (putting myself in positions where I can isolate people, or buy the button from a rock) and learning. (and at 3/6 i'm running realllllllly well so i've been getting lots of good cards to play.)

Just 1/2:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y63/JM2005/just12.jpg
Just 3/6:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y63/JM2005/just36.jpg

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when I was a micro'er, I was 17/8 (.5/1 and 1/2 full)

one needs to be comfortable postflop to play 20+ VPIP in full games IMO, and I wasn't at that stage yet at micro limits. just because it's right for Entity or DeathDonkey, I really hope it hasn't become forum gospel.

someone put the 'tight' back in TAG, please.

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when I was a micro'er, I was 17/8 (.5/1 and 1/2 full)

one needs to be comfortable postflop to play 20+ VPIP in full games IMO, and I wasn't at that stage yet at micro limits. just because it's right for Entity or DeathDonkey, I really hope it hasn't become forum gospel.

someone put the 'tight' back in TAG, please.

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this is really true and i quote for emphasis.