QQ...ugh?
 

Sorry about the number of hands. If one of the moderators wants to hold one of them back, I understand. I'm just off to work shortly and won't have access to my PT.

Villian's first hand at the table.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Give me a different line. Please.

Re: QQ...ugh?
 

Kwaz,

Having not bet the turn you have to bet the river when checked to.

Sincerely,
Shant

Re: QQ...ugh?
 

Bet turn?

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Bet the turn, bet the river.

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Bet the turn, bet the river so long as it isn't a heart

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Yes, bet the turn, the King makes me feel that my hand was best on the flop, the heart is worrying, but not so much so that you should not bet.

Re: QQ...ugh?
 

So bet/fold turn, bet/fold river.

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So bet/fold turn, bet/fold river.

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The turn is a bet/fold, but I'm not so sure about the river. If someone took that line against me and was new to the table, I would like to see what they played so strangely and call. This is probably wrong, but it would be such a weird line that I'd be curious. Usually it's the nuts from the turn, but I still call.

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Really? I think I would rather call a turn c/r than a river c/r in this spot. The king is a decent scare card and if BB has something like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] X he might think it's a good semibluff spot.

River c/r's are almost never bluffs.

And yeah, letting a heart see the river for free is no good methinks. Bet the turn.

Re: QQ...ugh?
 

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Sorry about the number of hands. If one of the moderators wants to hold one of them back, I understand. I'm just off to work shortly and won't have access to my PT.

Villian's first hand at the table.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Give me a different line. Please.

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Bet the turn. The second K is actually GOOD for your hand - it decreases the chance that he has one. Plus, you don't want to give a free card to a single [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

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So bet/fold turn, bet/fold river.

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The turn is a bet/fold, but I'm not so sure about the river. If someone took that line against me and was new to the table, I would like to see what they played so strangely and call. This is probably wrong, but it would be such a weird line that I'd be curious. Usually it's the nuts from the turn, but I still call.

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Check/call flop, check/raise turn isn't a strange line. It typically means monster. Obviously by the river play he doesn't have a monster, otherwise he would have bet it. But if he check/raised the turn after check/calling the flop, I would expect he has some sort of K, especially K2 or K3.

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So bet/fold turn, bet/fold river.

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The turn is a bet/fold, but I'm not so sure about the river. If someone took that line against me and was new to the table, I would like to see what they played so strangely and call. This is probably wrong, but it would be such a weird line that I'd be curious. Usually it's the nuts from the turn, but I still call.

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Check/call flop, check/raise turn isn't a strange line. It typically means monster. Obviously by the river play he doesn't have a monster, otherwise he would have bet it. But if he check/raised the turn after check/calling the flop, I would expect he has some sort of K, especially K2 or K3.

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I didn't say a turn checkraise was a strange line. I said if he check/called the K turn, and then checkraised the river, that'd be a pretty strange line and I'd like to see what an unknown has there.

Re: QQ...ugh?
 

:grunch

Bet/fold turn. If you had the Qh checking the turn is better since you can't fold to a c/r.