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11-03-2005 08:21 PM

New ABC News Poll
 
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39% Approval. Better still, 55% believe the administration "intentionally misled" the nation about the war.

Story here.

My favorite part is the sidebar box to related stories. Dig these headlines:
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Arnfinn Madsen 11-03-2005 08:30 PM

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Better still, 55% believe the administration "intentionally misled" the nation about the war.


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Even if often humanity progresses frustratingly slowly, it is good to get confirmation that it still progresses.

PoBoy321 11-03-2005 10:09 PM

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Let's see how Dems can, once again, fail to use this turn people away from the Republican party and translate it into support for the Democrats.

TomCollins 11-03-2005 10:13 PM

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Let's see how Dems can, once again, fail to use this turn people away from the Republican party and translate it into support for the Democrats.

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Vote Democrat! We aren't Republicans!

Jedster 11-03-2005 10:20 PM

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Vote Democrat! We aren't Republicans!

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That may be enough this time around...probably not, but maybe.

PoBoy321 11-03-2005 10:43 PM

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Vote Democrat! We aren't Republicans!

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Because that approach is so much worse than "Vote Republican! Democrats hate America!"

Cut the [censored], you know that winning seats is as much of a game as any and the Democrats need to take this opportunity as a way to shake the Republican base and outline a plan for America which, as I said before, I'm confident they'll once again fail to do.

11-03-2005 10:54 PM

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Let's see how Dems can, once again, fail to use this turn people away from the Republican party and translate it into support for the Democrats.

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Success or defeat won't be decided by GWB's poll performance - good or bad.

People who favor George Allen, for instance, be they Repub or Dem, will vote for him. And there'll be those voting for him (if he's chosen) simply as a vote against the Dem's choice. It'll always be that way.

For the Dems to succeed, they've got to find a candidate the majority of the voters, not just the "faithful," believe isn't a dyed-in-the-wool ideologue. Someone who is more centrist than the 10-13% of the party.

Mr. Clinton proved it. Mrs. Clinton is trying to do the same.

There are more folks who usually vote Repub that will vote for a moderate/centrist Dem if the Repub is a radical right-wingnut than the party understands. Or will admit.

PoBoy321 11-03-2005 10:58 PM

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Success or defeat won't be decided by GWB's poll performance - good or bad.

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That was kind of my point. GWB's performance ratings are slipping, but I don't think that the Dems will translate that into faith in the Republican party as a whole slipping.

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For the Dems to succeed, they've got to find a candidate the majority of the voters, not just the "faithful," believe isn't a dyed-in-the-wool ideologue. Someone who is more centrist than the 10-13% of the party.

Mr. Clinton proved it. Mrs. Clinton is trying to do the same.

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I completely agree, but the problem is that nearly all of our charismatic potential candidates are either women or minorities, and let's face it, we're still a long way from having anyone but a white man in the Oval Office.

lehighguy 11-03-2005 11:04 PM

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GEtting a women elected would be the easiest accomplishment possible. 50% of voters would side with her regardless of what party she was in or what issues she supported.

11-03-2005 11:26 PM

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That was kind of my point.

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I thought it was. I was stating it in a different way in case it wasn't. Purely in the interest of making my own point.


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...but I don't think that the Dems will translate that into faith in the Republican party as a whole slipping.

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Behind closed doors the pragmatists won't. In the press and on all their podiums (podia?) they'll hammer away continuously like it's a sign from on high. It's the "red meat" thingie. (gotta keep them party faithful happy dont'cha know)


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I completely agree, but the problem is that nearly all of our charismatic potential candidates are either women or minorities, and let's face it, we're still a long way from having anyone but a white man in the Oval Office.

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If I was betting I'd probably go along with you. However, the country might, just might I repeat, be getting fed up with us "white guys." There's enough discontent about GWB, Clinton, GHWB, etc., and so much speculation about Condi and Hillary, well I'm still not betting - for or agin'.


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