bad call of an all in?
 

PokerStars Game #2906680999: Tournament #14332483, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/10/27 - 15:57:04 (ET)
Table '14332483 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: kochareno (2450 in chips)
Seat 2: billm420 (710 in chips)
Seat 3: tlansdon (545 in chips)
Seat 4: Butchatola (4923 in chips)
Seat 5: jmfcowboy (2580 in chips)
Seat 6: Goalie2515 (1726 in chips)
Seat 7: philly1978 (1809 in chips)
Seat 8: mareanus (1168 in chips)
Seat 9: betbabs (835 in chips)
Goalie2515: posts small blind 50
philly1978: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to billm420 [9h 9s]
mareanus: raises 300 to 400
betbabs: raises 435 to 835 and is all-in
kochareno: folds
billm420: calls 710 and is all-in
tlansdon: folds
Butchatola: folds
jmfcowboy: folds
Goalie2515: folds
philly1978: folds
mareanus: calls 435
*** FLOP *** [Kd 4s 6s]
*** TURN *** [Kd 4s 6s] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 4s 6s 5c] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
mareanus: shows [Qs Qd] (a pair of Queens)
betbabs: shows [Qc Qh] (a pair of Queens)
mareanus collected 125 from side pot
betbabs collected 125 from side pot
billm420: shows [9h 9s] (a pair of Nines)
mareanus collected 1140 from main pot
betbabs collected 1140 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2530 Main pot 2280. Side pot 250. | Rake 0
Board [Kd 4s 6s 5c 7s]
Seat 1: kochareno folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: billm420 showed [9h 9s] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 3: tlansdon folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Butchatola folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: jmfcowboy (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Goalie2515 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: philly1978 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: mareanus showed [Qs Qd] and won (1265) with a pair of Queens
Seat 9: betbabs showed [Qc Qh] and won (1265) with a pair of Queens

Re: bad call of an all in?
 

Its debatable. I hate calling 2 all ins w/ a likely dominated pair, but then again you have less than 10BB's.

Why did you let yourself get that low? Dead cards? Lost a big pot?

Re: bad call of an all in?
 

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Why did you let yourself get that low? Dead cards? Lost a big pot?

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to 7 bb's? that's a totally normal amount to have. especially b/c the blinds could've just gone up.

i think it's a pretty clear fold. you're going to be playing 3-way, and there's a pretty decent chance the utg+1 reraise is a big pair.

Re: bad call of an all in?
 

I don't think this is very debatable at all.

UTG raise and an EP push. Figuring UTG's range as 88+, AQ+, KQ and shortstacks as 22+, A9+, KQ you are around 26% against that range.

Re: bad call of an all in?
 

I think it's obviously a clear fold, I mentioned debateable because of the short stack.

Re: bad call of an all in?
 

No question here, lay it down. I'm not sure I'm calling this even with tens or jacks, but I'm a rock sometimes, so that could be debated.

Re: bad call of an all in?
 

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No question here, lay it down. I'm not sure I'm calling this even with tens or jacks, but I'm a rock sometimes, so that could be debated.

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i would call with JJ. TT would be a tough choice and i think i'd fold it.

Re: bad call of an all in?
 

Great call. The other two guys were drawing dead, but you had live cards.

Re: bad call of an all in?
 

I hate this call. You are almost certainly a dog. Even with the best possible situation, you're only even money - and that's the BEST possible situation. Let's say the original raiser had anything in the top20% (a HUGE range for an EP raiser) and shortie has anything in the top10% (against a HUGE range for a reraiser even if he KNOWS that the raiser will raise light) - now you are only even money!

Such circumstances will almost never occur. Will the EP guy have something as weak as A4s? Will shortie have something as weak as QTs? I think not...

Re: bad call of an all in?
 

thanks for all the replies i'm pretty new so forgive my mistakes.