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RacersEdge 12-24-2005 11:19 PM

AKs Near the Bubble
 
80 get paid, 90 left. Average stack about 7200.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero (t6717)
MP2 (t1603)
MP3 (t2844)
CO (t9691)
Button (t19774)
SB (t20620)
BB (t4917)
UTG (t5250)
UTG+1 (t16861)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1300</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, SB calls t1100, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t3000) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero?.

mrjackstraw 12-24-2005 11:31 PM

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bets 2000-2500 and calls a raise? am i missing anything here. if just called shoves on turn.,

RacersEdge 12-25-2005 12:03 AM

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I'm down to 5400 when the flops comes. I bet 2000, he raises to 4000 say (very big stack) - and if I call, I'd have 1400 left. Would be pot committed no?

2005 12-25-2005 12:06 AM

Re: AKs Near the Bubble
 
This hand is basic, if he check-raises you on the flop, you put your money in. You're happy to get it all in with this hand on this flop, you are very far ahead most of the time.

Dave D 12-25-2005 12:11 AM

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This hand is basic, if he check-raises you on the flop, you put your money in. You're happy to get it all in with this hand on this flop, you are very far ahead most of the time.

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Yeah, no way you're getting away from this. Bet 2k on the flop, if he calls push teh turn, if he raises you on the flop, push. Pretty simple.

RacersEdge 12-25-2005 12:20 AM

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This hand is basic, if he check-raises you on the flop, you put your money in. You're happy to get it all in with this hand on this flop, you are very far ahead most of the time.

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Yeah, no way you're getting away from this. Bet 2k on the flop, if he calls push teh turn, if he raises you on the flop, push. Pretty simple.

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Yeah, I see those lines - but if you are going all in on a call or a raise, why not get to the same point with a push on the flop right away?

guaranteedBluff 12-25-2005 12:21 AM

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This hand is basic, if he check-raises you on the flop, you put your money in. You're happy to get it all in with this hand on this flop, you are very far ahead most of the time.

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Yeah, no way you're getting away from this. Bet 2k on the flop, if he calls push teh turn, if he raises you on the flop, push. Pretty simple.

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Yeah, I see those lines - but if you are going all in on a call or a raise, why not get to the same point with a push on the flop right away?

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A push may fold out inferior hands, whereas a 2k bet will encourage a push from a weaker ace or less of a hand even.

2005 12-25-2005 12:24 AM

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There's 3k in the pot, you have 5400, you want action on this flop. Betting 2k might induce villain to push with a T, flush draw, weaker A, whereas pushing will probably get a T or flush draw to fold and could give the A a chance to make a good laydown. Let this guy hang himself.

ansky451 12-25-2005 12:28 AM

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bet half pot-ish. Insta call a push.

ansky451 12-25-2005 12:32 AM

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Yeah, I see those lines - but if you are going all in on a call or a raise, why not get to the same point with a push on the flop right away?


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This is some incredibly flawed thinking in your spot. And you should try figure out why before ever playing a hand of poker again.

RacersEdge 12-25-2005 12:52 AM

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Yeah, I see those lines - but if you are going all in on a call or a raise, why not get to the same point with a push on the flop right away?


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This is some incredibly flawed thinking in your spot. And you should try figure out why before ever playing a hand of poker again.

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Yeah, good point - should help my stack building by dialing in the correct bet in these situations.

ansky451 12-25-2005 01:06 AM

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I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

My point is that if you think you are going to get raised and have to call--- and you have a hand as strong as yours- that is VASTLY superior to just pushing right away. If he has the intention of bluff raising- you lose value. If he is capable of folding Ax there if you push- you lose value. By just pushing you make things real easy for him.

RacersEdge 12-25-2005 01:14 AM

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That's what I mean - not going all-in and collecting that value will better for your stack than just winning the hand alone.

betgo 12-25-2005 01:16 AM

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bet half pot-ish. Insta call a push.

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I like a half pot bet, as it might be interpreted as weakness, and it gets enough in to set up a push on the turn.

Since hero posted this, I assume villain most have had a set.

RacersEdge 12-25-2005 01:35 AM

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Since hero posted this, I assume villain most have had a set.

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He called PF with AT.

RacersEdge 12-25-2005 01:49 PM

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No one really commented on the bubble part of this hand.

Is there anyone who becomes the dreaded weak-tight here IF the goal were to finish in the money?

Does a bigger PF raise make more sense here - maybe to 5BB, again if finishing ITM is a goal?

12-25-2005 02:01 PM

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No one really commented on the bubble part of this hand.

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Where are you at with respect to the bubble? Looks like somewhere around 60th-70th place as a guess. What are the stack sizes between 80th-90th? Those are likely to be small and will go fast. Hard to discuss further without knowing this.

Regardless, I don't know that the bubble consideration enters into it that much, if at all. You have a strong hand with a chance to extract a sizeable penalty from big stack, although it would be ok if the opponent folds. At worst, you take a beat and miss a minor payday. At best, you double up and give yourself a chance for a better payday.

I agree with the others to bet out strong and be prepared to go all the way. If close to the bubble on a medium-ish to small-ish stack, this is a nice situation to be in.

CieloAzor 12-25-2005 02:02 PM

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Nothing changes. Just bet 2k and call a push. Nothing difficult about this hand.

betgo 12-25-2005 02:13 PM

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No one really commented on the bubble part of this hand.

Is there anyone who becomes the dreaded weak-tight here IF the goal were to finish in the money?

Does a bigger PF raise make more sense here - maybe to 5BB, again if finishing ITM is a goal?

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I thought this was an MTT.

ansky451 12-25-2005 05:30 PM

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if finishing ITM is a goal?

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Why would that be a goal?


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