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Eyeback 05-19-2005 03:38 PM

2 overplayed hands?
 
I'm closing in on my first 100 22s (so I'm a real vet) but latelly I've been getting more afraid of pushing than i was in my first 50 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Anyway, heres 2 hand that I'm not sure that pushing was correct. No reads in hand #1,in hand#2 both players are pretty tight.

#1
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (5 handed) converter

Hero (t1735)
BB (t910)
UTG (t1180)
MP (t955)
Button (t3220)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to t300</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t1435.

Flop: (t1885) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t1885) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t1885) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1885

Any reason to take this risk here?

#2
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (3 handed) converter

SB (t3290)
BB (t2775)
Hero (t1935)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
SB completes, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t2235) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t2235) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2235) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2235

Converter is messed up, I pushed on the button here.

citanul 05-19-2005 03:48 PM

Re: 2 overplayed hands?
 
both hands need fixing i think.

i assume you pushed in hand 1 preflop when it was your turn to act and pushed in hand 2 when it was your turn to act preflop?

if so, both these hands are automatic. really really automatic. as for "any reason..." it's because you're not really taking that much of a risk, you have queens.

citanul

pokerlaw 05-19-2005 03:53 PM

Re: 2 overplayed hands?
 
[ QUOTE ]
both these hands are automatic

[/ QUOTE ]

Eyeback 05-19-2005 03:54 PM

Re: 2 overplayed hands?
 
Yes, I pushed both hands when my turn to act.

Heres another push I'm not confident about, but again feels pretty automatic.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

BB (t685)
UTG (t820)
Hero (t770)
MP1 (t1595)
MP2 (t695)
MP3 (t775)
CO (t755)
Button (t860)
SB (t1045)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t80</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB calls t70, BB calls t65.

Flop: (t237.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB bets(100), BB calls (100) Hero (all-in 690)
Turn: (t237.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

River: (t237.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>

Final Pot: t237.50

GoldenHorde 05-19-2005 03:54 PM

Re: 2 overplayed hands?
 
Hand #1 - Now I'm all for avoiding confrontations with the big stack when you have the second biggest but with Q's against a button raise your chips have to be in the pot as fast as you can get them there.

Hand #2 - Automatic push even if opponents aren't tight, if they are your range should be far greater than K-10.

jgunnip 05-19-2005 07:34 PM

Re: 2 overplayed hands?
 
In hand 3, You can't fold cause your hand is probably best here. You can't call becasue you don't want to give a free card. And raising anything less than your whole stack makes no sense. I think the only logical move here is too push.


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