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housenuts 11-07-2005 12:57 PM

Re: stars $55+5 3 handed
 
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I push this often enough, and have wondered if it might be a mistake. I just feel a standard raise is begging BB to come over the top as he actually has a decent amout of FE. So I either fold or push, most of the time push. But it's these hands that usually gets me into trouble.

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you'll only get called if you're in serious trouble, drawing to 3 outs at most. winning an extra 675 chips is not really worth it here. i would treat this just like any other blind steal attempt. it doesn't even matter what your cards are. just raise to T1,200 and make him make the decision of coming over the top or calling. losing 1,200 won't hurt your stack as much as losing almost all of it.

i would rather push here with a hand like JT or 89s than A2o because u have at most 3 outs when called

pooh74 11-07-2005 01:02 PM

Re: stars $55+5 3 handed
 
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I think I'd let this go too, but it's close.

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You are open mucking here?

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I wouldnt either...but has little to do with the fact that I have an ace in my hand...I could care less about that. Fact is, you have two cards, you are first to act on button and blinds are ripe for taking. You're not going to be in good shape when called, thats why a raise might be more prudent here. Of course an open push is unexploitable, but its close...I would need a loose/tight guage on my opponents which you should have by now given its 3-way.

bruce 11-07-2005 01:03 PM

Re: stars $55+5 3 handed
 
If you are called after pushing you're in bad shape. You're
usually against a pocket pair larger than Two's or a bigger
Ace. I would raise 3x the big blind or I might even fold this. You have the largest stack and why risk busting and leaving second place to the shortie.

Bruce

bigt439 11-07-2005 01:29 PM

Re: stars $55+5 3 handed
 
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I think I'd let this go too, but it's close.

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You are open mucking here?

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but has little to do with the fact that I have an ace in my hand...I could care less about that.

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I wouldn't go that far.

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Fact is, you have two cards, you are first to act on button and blinds are ripe for taking.

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But this is the most important aspect of the hand.

pooh74 11-07-2005 01:48 PM

Re: stars $55+5 3 handed
 
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but has little to do with the fact that I have an ace in my hand...I could care less about that.

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I wouldn't go that far.



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What hands are calling/reraising you that you like to see? KQs? How many are there? And this is besides the fact that you are a just lightly better than a flip anyway. What I mostly hate is that you are basically giving prize equity to SB here when you're called by BB.

Despite my above trepidations I will only back off here if I have been overly active in the last 3-4 hands.

I justed posted to sort of show what I am thinking when I do raise/push here to demonstrate what a pussy I actually am.

bigt439 11-07-2005 02:35 PM

Re: stars $55+5 3 handed
 
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but has little to do with the fact that I have an ace in my hand...I could care less about that.

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I wouldn't go that far.



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What hands are calling/reraising you that you like to see? KQs? How many are there? And this is besides the fact that you are a just lightly better than a flip anyway. What I mostly hate is that you are basically giving prize equity to SB here when you're called by BB.

Despite my above trepidations I will only back off here if I have been overly active in the last 3-4 hands.

I justed posted to sort of show what I am thinking when I do raise/push here to demonstrate what a pussy I actually am.

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I'm not sure if you're making a point or are being literal. I realize A2o is not a monster and you have problems if a pot develops, but are you saying you actually don't care whether you have 32o or A2o? I'm not trying to be a nit, but I think what you're saying is dangerous.

bennies 11-07-2005 02:39 PM

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I open muck here usually. I decided a while back that I have no idea to play these situations with 10-15 bb's. So I muck with holdings (A2, KJ, 98s etc) that I wouldn't like to go allin with. I assume there are better ways to play these hands, but I wasn't happy with any of the two scenarios I felt I ran into too often:

1) I raise to 3bb and fold to a push.
2) I raise to 3bb, someone calls and checks the flop, I c-bet and he pushes.

At the end I felt risking 3bb's (or more) to win 1½bb wasn't worth it. Please flame.

pooh74 11-07-2005 02:47 PM

Re: stars $55+5 3 handed
 
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but has little to do with the fact that I have an ace in my hand...I could care less about that.

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I wouldn't go that far.



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What hands are calling/reraising you that you like to see? KQs? How many are there? And this is besides the fact that you are a just lightly better than a flip anyway. What I mostly hate is that you are basically giving prize equity to SB here when you're called by BB.

Despite my above trepidations I will only back off here if I have been overly active in the last 3-4 hands.

I justed posted to sort of show what I am thinking when I do raise/push here to demonstrate what a pussy I actually am.

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I'm not sure if you're making a point or are being literal. I realize A2o is not a monster and you have problems if a pot develops, but are you saying you actually don't care whether you have 32o or A2o? I'm not trying to be a nit, but I think what you're saying is dangerous.

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Not at all, there's a difference...But we dont need to resort to the extreme examples to make a point.

11-07-2005 03:38 PM

Re: stars $55+5 3 handed
 
I don't like A2, A3, A4. It seems when you're called you're often up against a bigger Ace.

Oddly, it seems to me, against their typical calling range you'd alomst rather have 64 than A2. At least you'll have two live cards.


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