When is it a set?
 

This is a phenomenom I see at the 100NL and 200NL and occasionally the 50NL.

I'm playing the 50s to somewhat get my confidence back.

If you have TP or overpair and you get checkraised or raised significantly (3x your flop bet), it is almost never a set and almost always a draw and not a monster draw either.

Whereas if its smoothcalled on the flop, and minraised on the turn or smoothcalled onthe flop, underbet when checked to on the turn, value bet when checked to on the river, it is almost always a set.

agree or disagree?

Re: When is it a set?
 

C/r on the flop is rarely a draw, IMO.

Re: When is it a set?
 

yea no way is a CR a draw, at least from anyone with half a brain.

i frequently CR my big hands if there is some nasty draws on the board

How i raise really depends on the texture of the board, position, players in the hand, etc.

Re: When is it a set?
 

I mean headsup, rainbow flop.

maybe its the type of players I've been running in to but I've been shown inside straight draw or OESD or nothing way too often when I lay down my overpair to sizable flop raise.

I think the big check raise on a fairly drawless flop really represents a badly disguised set and often thats the effect these guys are going for and they figure there is a chance you are on missed overs.

Re: When is it a set?
 

You are losing because you are overthinking. People accurately represent their hands at NL50. Nobody is making the play you are describing.

Re: When is it a set?
 

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Whereas if its smoothcalled on the flop, and minraised on the turn or smoothcalled onthe flop, underbet when checked to on the turn, value bet when checked to on the river, it is almost always a set.


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I agree with this part. The flop call, turn minraise is a set.

Which is why I lead out with my sets.

Re: When is it a set?
 

most of it occured in the 100s. I think I find the lag tables and then see monsters when those lags lag it up.

I still think most people slow play sets though.

Re: When is it a set?
 

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most of it occured in the 100s. I think I find the lag tables and then see monsters when those lags lag it up.

I still think most people slow play sets though.

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sure. c/c, c/r is usually a set. lead/3-bet is usually a set. but c/r flop is also usually a set/2pr.

Re: When is it a set?
 

I'm still not that convinced on the last one. if all of these are true, then deep stack NL sucks because you'll have to fold way too many TP hands.

What is your opinion on raising huge amounts preflop, say 10xBB?

Re: When is it a set?
 

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I'm still not that convinced on the last one. if all of these are true, then deep stack NL sucks because you'll have to fold way too many TP hands.


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Deep stack NL is awesome because your opponents don't fold enough TP hands.

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What is your opinion on raising huge amounts preflop, say 10xBB?

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I hate it.