Flopped Broadway
 

An opponent of mine had a tough decision. I'm not sure what was right.

Hero (Button) has 105 BB
Villain (BB) has 110 BB
Other stacks are similar.

Preflop:
Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Two middle position limpers. Hero limps. SB folds. Villain checks.

Flop 4 players (4.5 BB): A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 checks. Hero bets 3 BB. Villain calls. One limper calls, the other folds.

Turn 3 players (13.5 BB): K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain bets 10 BB. Limper folds. Hero ...?

Re: Flopped Broadway
 

Fold pre-flop.

Other than that, raise the turn.

Re: Flopped Broadway
 

Is this Pot Limit or no Limit?
What type of player is Villian?

Hero flopped the nut straight. My experience with NL/PL is limited but I would have at least bet the pot.

On the Turn I'd probably re-raise, the best he could have is a ATs for a straight with a flush draw, but unless he's especially tight he's just as likely to have two pairs. Make him pay to draw for the flush or boat.

Re: Flopped Broadway
 

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Fold pre-flop.

Other than that, raise the turn.

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yeah.

Re: Flopped Broadway
 

do NOT fold K10 on the button. Raise two more BB on the flop- reaise the turn (although you are probably chopping here)

Re: Flopped Broadway
 

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do NOT fold K10 on the button. Raise two more BB on the flop- reaise the turn (although you are probably chopping here)

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actually, i don't know what i was saying. i wouldn't fold on the button.

Re: Flopped Broadway
 

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Is this Pot Limit or no Limit?
What type of player is Villian?

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Good questions.

I should have specified that this was NL.

The Villain has played a couple of orbits, but not many hands. However, if he is tight, that says nothing about his hand, since he was in the BB. He hasn't played enough post-flop to say much about his style.

No reads on the limpers.

Flopped Broadway (Results)
 

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Hero (Button) has 105 BB
Villain (BB) has 110 BB
Other stacks are similar.

Preflop:
Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

Two middle position limpers. Hero limps. SB folds. Villain checks.

Flop 4 players (4.5 BB): A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
3 checks. Hero bets 3 BB. Villain calls. One limper calls, the other folds.

Turn 3 players (13.5 BB): K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain bets 10 BB. Limper folds. Hero ...?

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Hero minraised to 20 BB. Villain reraised all-in to 106 BB. Hero called 81 BB.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

Villain had T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], a flush

The villain had the nuts on the turn, and minraising allowed him to push. Of course it was right to call the push. Given the actual cards, the hero's call of the push was correct, as he gets back an average of 85.3 BB minus a share of the rake for the extra 81 BB invested, and the hero did not know the villain's cards. The villain could safely push with just the T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], without a flush draw.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=856638
Board: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 0.398
T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 0.602

I'm not sure what the right play was for the hero.

Preflop, I don't think it is necessary to fold KTo on the button after two limpers. In fact, it would be reasonable to raise, but limping is ok. It is common to miss the flop, but pick up the pot anyway when no one wants it. I'm ahead with KTo on the button, though not conclusively.

On the flop, you can't be sure there are flush draws out, and it is hard to price the draws out. A small bet may be fine, with the hope that someone would check-raise.

Calling on the turn would have prevented this disaster, of course, but it may be good to push out flush draws or boat draws. On the other hand, if the villain has only a draw, he has overcharged himself by betting 10 BB already. I'm inclined to call, and play defense if a flush card comes or the board pairs. If the villain has 2-pair, he may fold to a raise on the turn, but call a small river bet.