2/4 KK faces a tough flop decision
 

Normally, I'd raise this flop but this was a tough call because of the players involved.

I don't have many hands on BB but he seems reasonable.
UTG+1 is tight, as in 14/5/1.2 nitty tight. I have no problem at all getting all-in w/ the BB shortstack but I'm a little worried about UTG+1.

Should I raise this flop anyway? Call, use my position and see what happens like I did? Bet turn?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Button ($392)
SB ($206.40)
BB ($151.25)
UTG ($362.15)
UTG+1 ($400)
MP1 ($521.40)
Hero ($631.60)
MP3 ($323.95)
CO ($172)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, MP1 calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls $16, UTG+1 calls $16, MP1 calls $16.

Flop: ($82) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $32</font>, UTG+1 calls $32, MP1 folds, Hero calls $32.

Turn: ($178) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

River: ($178) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $40</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $40.

Final Pot: $258

Re: 2/4 KK faces a tough flop decision
 

Seeing as MP1 folded the flop, don't you mean BB is nitty? Or something? I think not raising the flop is ok as long as you're not gonna get too crazy on the turn, which you didn't. FWIW, I think your line is at least a solid one insomuch as it doesn't contradict itself.

Re: 2/4 KK faces a tough flop decision
 

Whoops, edited my post, I apologize.

Ryan

Re: 2/4 KK faces a tough flop decision
 

I would raise as any decent player will raise a set on the flop as it have a lot of possible draw. So I would raise it to 120-140 $. If UTG+1 reraise all-in you can fold, as he his not the type of player who will push his draw all-in usually, but I dont know him.

Re: 2/4 KK faces a tough flop decision
 

raise the flop

its a bad flop

giving a card for 35 is not solid

raise = BB's remaining stack

expect him to be all in with Q4 and UTG+1 to move in or fold. if he moves in you fold. if he folds you likely will win a nice pot.

Re: 2/4 KK faces a tough flop decision
 

Once UTG+1 folds, why not raise the BB all in? I dont believe he has a flush or AK, but will still call with alot of other hands.

He probably has QJ and is probably bad enough to call.

Results
 

BB had AK (?!?) and my hand is not good. Glad I just called on the river though.

I guess I got scared when nit called but I should have certainly raised the flop. I suppose I figured the chances that one of them having me beat were pretty good - and I was wrong. If I raise the flop, I can certainly fold to an all-in from nit... the problem is if he smoothcalls.

Ryan

Re: 2/4 KK faces a tough flop decision
 

absolutely raise or fold the flop. given that there are 2 broadway cards and the flush draw its likely someone has 2 pair, but you can't play so timidly.

raise to 120.

Re: 2/4 KK faces a tough flop decision
 

Ryan, I'm not the wisest player, but I'll let you know exactly how I would have played this hand,

Personally I disagree with you, when you said tough flop for a KK I was expecting to see an A on the flop, there was no A, it was a beautiful flop for you, The fact that two hearts were on the flop, made it even more imperative that you raise BIG here. Only a set beats you, everything else is a draw, if he has AA, than I'm going to lose anyways, I don't throw away KK, or give free cards with it.

If he has QJ, I note that he calls big raises with inferior cards, I'm happy to give him my money, rebuy and build his sense of confidence so I can tear him apart later, I'll look to isolation raise him later and go heads up as many times as I can until I win my money back with interest.

KK, was obviously good here to me. I would have reraised all in immediately on the flop, and I wouldn't of hated it if they both called because I don't think either of them would be ahead in the hand, As we found out, BB was not ahead, if you make him go all in praying for a 10, I doubt he can do it.

Re: 2/4 KK faces a tough flop decision
 

Seeing that the flop has two hearts, i myself would have no problem re-raising a substantial amount on the flop. Maybe around 3-4 times the BB intial bet on the flop. Also, like mentioned above, why not re-raise the river also. Although, your play here to me was the most conservative safest approach to this hand possible.