Question about the way rakeback is calculated
 

I have 2 questions about the way rakeback is calculated.

1) Is the amount of rake I am considered to have paid all of the rake taken from the pots I drag, or is it my share of all rake paid to the casino from tables I am active at? If I lose a pot am I considered to have contributed to the rake from that pot? If I fold preflop am I considered to have contributed?

2) Hypothetically, is the amount of rake my pokertracker shows me to have paid a reliable method of determining how much rakeback I should be due to receive? Or is it determined in a different manner to rakeback revenue?

If anyone can clear this up for me and help me better understand the way this stuff works that would be much appreciated, thanks...

Re: Question about the way rakeback is calculated
 

different rooms use different methods.

some, like party, use what i would call ATTRIBUTED rake. that would be the number of players dealt into the hand divided into the total rake taken for the hand. whether you fold preflop or go to the river doesnt matter.

so, if 10 players are dealt in, and the pot is raked $2, then each player would be attributed 20 cents. if you had a 25% rb deal, then that hand would pay you 5 cents.

others use CONTRIBUTED rake, and there are two types of this, generally.

one would be total rake from the pot, divided by the number of players contributing ANY amount to the pot. i.e., big blind, small blind, and any others that put money into the pot.

so the same $2 rake, and say the bb and sb fold preflop, and 3 others go to showdown, then all 5 of them would get credit for their "share" of the rake, i.e., 40 cents each. so under the same 25% rb deal, each would get 10 cents for that hand.

lastly, another method of CONTRIBUTED rake would be the proportional method.

in this method, if the small blind put in $1, the big blind put in $2, and of the other 3, from the above example, one put in $6, and 2 others went to showdown and put in $20 each , then the sb would get approx. 2% of the rake credited to them, the bb approx. 4%, the next guy approx. 12%, and the 2 that went to showdown approx. 40% each. i'll leave the math extrapolation to you for what each would get for the hand under the same rb deal.

hope that makes it clear as mud for you.

and as regards pokertracker, it works very well for the "party" method, not so well for the others.

and when using pokertracker to do this, dont use the amount shown on the "general" tab.

you need to go to game notes tab, then click get all, and find total rake and divide by average number of players.

also, you need to make sure that you're not mixing 10 handed games with 6 handed, or even 9 handed, etc.

you can insure this by first going to the preferences tab, and then selecting from the game types list, and doing each of these separately.

hope this "clears this up for" you and "help(s) (you) better understand the way this stuff works..."

Re: Question about the way rakeback is calculated
 

wow thanks, great explanation, much appreciated!

Re: Question about the way rakeback is calculated
 

yw

Re: Question about the way rakeback is calculated
 

To throw lots more mud in the way [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Here's the calculation exactly from the Boss Network:

EXHIBIT 1.3 PARTNER RAKE CALCULATION


1. The Partner Rake for a single hand of poker is calculated in accordance
with the following.

[d = (((p - d) / (t - s)) * r) + d] where:

d is he total amount of the Users contribution to the previous rake in the hand
the rake collected (0 at the first time the rake is collected)

p is the amount the User have contributed to the pot when the rake is collected

t is the total amount in the pot when the rake is collected

s is the total amount or previous rakes when the rake is collected (0 at the
first time the rake is collected)

r is the rake that is collected when the rake is collected



2. The monthly Partner Rake is calculated in the following steps:

2.1 First the percentage of the pot that attributable to each player is
calculated (any earlier rake is deducted).

2.2 This percentage is then multiplied with the current rake to get the
part of the rake that is attributable to the User.

2.3 Step 1.2 is repeated each time the rake is collected. The result is the
amount of the rake that is attributable to the User.

2.4 The total amount of the rake that is attributable to Users in all poker
hands during one month shall be defined as the Partner Rake.

Re: Question about the way rakeback is calculated
 

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and as regards pokertracker, it works very well for the "party" method, not so well for the others.

and when using pokertracker to do this, dont use the amount shown on the "general" tab.

you need to go to game notes tab, then click get all, and find total rake and divide by average number of players.

also, you need to make sure that you're not mixing 10 handed games with 6 handed, or even 9 handed, etc.

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I don't understand why it would be bad to mix 10 handed and 6 handed games. It doesn't seem to me like that would cause a problem for this method at all since it will still show you the total rake paid and the average number of players for the combined sample of the two games. How could it be relevant that the max number of seats at the tables aren't all the same?

Re: Question about the way rakeback is calculated
 

imbalanced averaging is why.

do it your way, check your results with your affiliate amount at the end of the month, then do it the way ive suggested.

compare.

questions will end.

Re: Question about the way rakeback is calculated
 

SEABEAST check out rbcalc, with it you can calculate the exact ammount of rakeback you should get by loading the hand history files.

http://rbcalc.i8.com/rbcalc.htm

Re: Question about the way rakeback is calculated
 

ez this is great info, thanks

Who can tell me which of these contributed options poker network (pokerroom, eurobet, et al) uses?

Re: Question about the way rakeback is calculated
 

Pat,

Didn't you say your app only handles Party Poker files?