Give him credit for an overpair?
 

Hand from earlier today in the Party for Free $100,000

Villain seemed to be pretty solid and had only shown down strong hands since I had been at the table. Also his standard raise was what he raised to in this hand.

#Game No : 3224490806
***** Hand History for Game 3224490806 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:18397682 Level:5 Blinds (50/100) - Sunday, December 18, 20:18:23 EDT 2005
Table Party for Free $100,000(527145) Table #67 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 2: NJKowboy22 ( $2540 )
Seat 3: mangy71 ( $1905 )
Seat 4: YDNEW ( $945 )
Seat 6: Mr_Insidious ( $2860 )
Seat 7: Normandy44 ( $4480 )
Seat 9: stanforth ( $265 )
Seat 10: snowman052 ( $4350 )
Seat 8: Runningtowin ( $6592 )
Seat 5: phillydogg19 ( $1870 )
Seat 1: LooseOos ( $3432 )
Trny:18397682 Level:5
Blinds (50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NJKowboy22 [ 9s 9d ]
mangy71 folds.
YDNEW folds.
phillydogg19 folds.
Mr_Insidious raises [225].
Normandy44: Why?
Normandy44 folds.
Runningtowin folds.
stanforth folds.
snowman052 folds.
LooseOos calls [175].
NJKowboy22 calls [125].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7d, 8h, 3h ]
LooseOos checks.
NJKowboy22 bets [400].
Mr_Insidious is all-In [2635]
LooseOos folds.

I don't generally make this fold with no reads but villain's line left me thinking I was behind. What is everyone's default play here given this line against a fairly tight and solid player?

Thanks a lot,
Jack

Re: Give him credit for an overpair?
 

Bump. Line looks pretty consistent with an overpair but I certainly think he could be unwilling to let AK or AQ go. What's my play?

Re: Give him credit for an overpair?
 

Standard would be to call I think, but given your read it is debatable. A raise pre-flop to 550 would have clarified this.

Re: Give him credit for an overpair?
 

I considered reraising preflop but if he pushes I think I have to fold. Calling allows me to see the flop and possibly spike a set, but I agree that it also gives me little idea what he is holding. Anyone else?

Re: Give him credit for an overpair?
 

If your going to bet and call a push, why not just c/r all in? Not sure, your beating almost nothing on that flop, although that almost min-raise preflop is pretty fishy. I would drop it, you kind of made it tough on yourself by betting the flop though.

Re: Give him credit for an overpair?
 

I didn't want to attempt a check raise because I had no idea if my hand was best. My raise was mostly to gather information and I had already concluded that I was getting away if I got reraised. Anybody think this is too weak?

Re: Give him credit for an overpair?
 

given the read on villian i would fold here.
im not saying your behind at the moment for sure but i think his range for this play can be anything from an overpair to something like AKh AQh AJh.
if he has any of them his got something like 14 outs which makes it a very starong draw.
i think you playd the hand well ,but his saying he has a better hand and considering the blinds are 50/100 you can affrod to let this go.

Re: Give him credit for an overpair?
 

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If your going to bet and call a push, why not just c/r all in? Not sure, your beating almost nothing on that flop, although that almost min-raise preflop is pretty fishy. I would drop it, you kind of made it tough on yourself by betting the flop though.

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just looking at the betting and the stacks quickly ,it think the pot before the flop is up around 600 ,and hero bets 400 on the flop.i would hardly call that a min raise.
i like that cuz hero as an over pair and is giving the villian a chance to get away from just over cards.
if hero just checks ,villian is gonna bet no matter what,then you have no idea where you stand.if you check raise,you have to go all in and you still dont know if he has an over pair.
based on the read on villian he is a solid player,and solid players dont go all in with over cards unless they have a great confident read that they can move you of a hand like this.

Re: Give him credit for an overpair?
 

tough situation. I can see A7 of hearts playing this hand this way after the flop(not likely though with preflop raise), more likely an over pair or AK or AQ of hearts (also possible is a set trying to make someone pay to play the flush draw). Either way you are behind, I would fold. If he has overpair, you are a major dog and if he has AK or AQ of hearts, he is ahead with 13 outs.

I agree this could be a donkey play with an AKo or AQo, but given your own reads, this is a fold.

Re: Give him credit for an overpair?
 

FWIW, I play it pretty much the exact same way, and pretty confidently fold knowing he had me beat. I think a reraise preflop is a pretty poor idea- your stack is too big to push preflop, and while you could raise to 800 or so to see what's up, I imagine a good player would be pushing AK in that spot along with his overpairs. Play for the set/overpair, and fold to resistance on the latter.