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kleinstadt1 07-09-2005 01:53 PM

JJ with two-overcard board
 
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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">8 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, Hero calls.

Flop call was easy, right?

Turn: (4.75 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Great, now I've picked up a gutshot. 6 outs, right about 6.5:1 to hit, with implied odds, I've just got enough to call.

River: (6.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero calls.

Fold or call?

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

SmileyPSU 07-09-2005 02:03 PM

Re: JJ with two-overcard board
 
I would lead out on the flop like you did, but once you get raised you've got to dump your hand. He's telling you he's got, at the very least, an Ace in his hand. You're drawing to the two remaining jacks/runner-runner straight. Give it up.

I also think your call on the turn is marginal. Your jacks are dirty if he's got AK. I don't think you've got 6 outs here, and I don't think 6 outs dictates an autocall, either.

Since, by your own admission you're drawing to six outs, I can't imagine why you'd be calling the river when you do not hit one of them.

IntoTheRain 07-09-2005 02:04 PM

Re: JJ with two-overcard board
 
maybe im weak tight.. but unless you have any reads on UTG for getting out of line, I think im folding to his flop raise. i just dont like having only two outs in a tiny pot like this.

Bodhi 07-09-2005 02:15 PM

Re: JJ with two-overcard board
 
No, you picked up a double-gutshot on the turn. That's 8 outs for the straights, and probably 2 more if you spike a jack.

nice hand.

Bodhi 07-09-2005 02:16 PM

Re: JJ with two-overcard board
 
Duh, don't make the same mistake he did. Hero has a double gutshot on the turn, not 6 outs.

SmileyPSU 07-09-2005 02:22 PM

Re: JJ with two-overcard board
 
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Duh, don't make the same mistake he did. Hero has a double gutshot on the turn, not 6 outs.

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I am embarassed I didn't catch that.

I still fold on the flop, and on the river, but the turn call is 100% correct.

Bodhi 07-09-2005 02:25 PM

Re: JJ with two-overcard board
 
Flop call is very marginal, I agree. Still, it's probably better not to get in the habit of folding to single small bets on the flop with a raised pot.

SmileyPSU 07-09-2005 02:38 PM

Re: JJ with two-overcard board
 
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Flop call is very marginal, I agree. Still, it's probably better not to get in the habit of folding to single small bets on the flop with a raised pot.

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I understand you can't frequently fold to a small bet in raised pots. In this instance, though, with no flush or straight draws I think I'm pretty far behind in this hand with very little room to improve.

kleinstadt1 07-09-2005 05:50 PM

results
 
I'm embarassed I didn't pick up the double gutshot, but more so that I called the river bet. I think you project a weak tight image folding to a small bet on the flop in a raised pot.

Villian shows down AsQc.

btspider 07-09-2005 05:54 PM

Re: JJ with two-overcard board
 
i fold to the flop check-raise and the river bet.


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