Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
 

Background on hand. Villain doubled me up on the hand just prior to this. He missed a turn check raise on a T422 board with QQ and let me hit a ten on the river. He got so mad that he check-raised me all in anyways.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Hero ($405)
MP ($454.55)
CO ($483.70)
Button ($161.25)
SB ($175)
BB ($200)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $7, Button calls $7, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($24) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $22</font>, CO calls $22, Button folds.

Turn: ($68) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $65</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $130</font>, Hero....

I'm interested in getting some feedback on the turn bet, and then how to proceed from this point forward.

Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
 

I like the turn bet. I also like money, so I push the turn here. Any spade or big card on the river could easily kill your action. Your momentum from the previous hand also makes this push easier.

Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
 

So what hands are we looking to get called with by pushing the turn? 84? QQ?

Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
 

This would be a really tough spot if there wasn't such a strong case for a tilting villain. He'd have to be crazy to call a push without an 8, and I don't think he's that crazy. I'd call and push any non-spade river, and try and valuebet a spade one.

Edit: Make that push any river.

Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
 

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This would be a really tough spot if there wasn't such a strong case for a tilting villain. He'd have to be crazy to call a push without an 8, and I don't think he's that crazy. I'd call and push any non-spade river, and try and valuebet a spade one.

Edit: Make that push any river.

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I agree with your reasoning regarding the turn, and I think pushing any river is pretty strong. However, does the same reasoning not apply?

Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
 

He can put you on a spade draw and make a heroic call on the river, not as likely to do that on the turn. Still, this hand is pretty tough to get paid off. If he is bluffy you might consider checking the river too, but I don't like a threebet. This is so WA/WB.

Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
 

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He can put you on a spade draw and make a heroic call on the river, not as likely to do that on the turn. Still, this hand is pretty tough to get paid off. If he is bluffy you might consider checking the river too, but I don't like a threebet. This is so WA/WB.

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I don't think it qualifies as WA/WB because I am not WB a better 8 due to my spade draw. If behind I likely have 12 outs and 6 more outs to a split.

Of course I could be drawing damn near dead.

Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
 

OK, WA/slightly behind, you're right. The point is you're not pushing him off a better hand, and just about any worse. I mean he could have a spade draw too I guess, but that wouldn't make sense.

Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
 

So I think you and I have established that this is a really interesting/tough spot to be in. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Maximizing value/Minimizing loss - 200 NL - $400 stacks
 

Villian sounds tilted. I'd go broke if he has me beat here, chances are too good that he's spewing. He probably thinks you're full of it anyways since you raised preflop and the board looks like that. I'd call the turn, value bet the river. I wouldn't push the river. Give him a chance to make a crying call with an overpair or if he's real tilty, A7.