Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

Six max table.

I have been opening tons of pots because thats what I like to do, not sure if that's right. I think I'm winning the information war and like my spot. I'll probably get paid off more than I'll pay off and win my share of small pots but will give a few up when played back at.

I have 4500. Other player is John Travolta and very tight. However, I'm sure he thinks I a loose aggro donk (and probably right) and will go too far with one pair against me.

I raise the pot UTG+2 w/ 87d. Two players call.

Flop is Qc 7h 8h. I bet the pot, middle guy folds, Travolta way over pushes. I call.

Anyone lay this down here? The way overpush annoys me as it makes me hard to be way ahead most of the time but I still figure to be ahead almost always, if only a small fave, am I wrong?

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

perfect.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

This is different than last hand you posted, feels like a fold to me. You said this guy was tight; does that mean he won't call your raise with a hand like 9Ts? If so, than your probably behind to a set (most likely) or slightly ahead of an overpair (less likely). However, if he is willing to call with suited connectors, and you've been tenacious with your made hands (as I think you said you'd been), then he might be frustrated at not being able to semibluff for normal and overpush here on only a draw. If he does call with suited connectors (or even suited aces) AND you feel hes been getting frustrated recently, you could justify a call. Otherwise, you beat very little, and then not by much. Fold.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

Definitly call IMO. It is very common for people to play big draws like this T9h, Axh, etc... and with your table image, he could easily have something like AQ and think you'll simply payoff with worse and are not likely to have a better hand. I think you have very rarely behind when he pushes like that given your descriptions.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

I was all happy at AZKs post until I realised it was not directed at me. Please explain where my reasoning went wrong.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

GGB laid it all out.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

Don't lay it down- it's very unlikely villain has a better made hand, he's either pushing a draw or AQ/overpair. You failed to mention Travolta's position BTW, that's somewhat important.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

I call like it's the nuts.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

tight nits in general don't put everything in with 1 pair. This is rare unless he is shortstacked. He's got a big hand and sees a number of draws out there so he pushes (other hand would be like QhAh or QhKh type) I'm going against the crowd and say lean towards a fold.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

everyone calling with AA too?

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

given his image probably

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

Playing the way you are (which is how I usually play) I call in a heartbeat.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

insta call given the images

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

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everyone calling with AA too?

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of course.
INSTANTLY.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

i call. people are goofy.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

I'm really only concerned about Qx[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] here.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

sc,

Of course. AA is pretty much always the nuts in big NL games.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

Insta call for me there, and with AA it is still an insta call.

He knows that you are LAG so he is not gonna WAY overbet a hand better than 2 pair, there is no way he puts you on flopping 2 pair.

CALL

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

I agree with the concensus. I would expect a person who has a set and sees you as a LAG to wait for the turn to put in a big raise.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

i think i might've been able to find a fold in your other hand, but this one i call in a heartbeat. in your K8 top-2 hand it was an unraised pot, you led-3bet from the sb and villain still 4bet-pushed on you; i think you're beat when the action blows up like that in a limped pot. in this hand, however, you raised, bet the flop, and he moves in? what does he think he's representing? easy call, just hope it doesn't come running deuces.

Results
 

He had 77 for bottom set.

I don't think I'm in that good of shape against this guy's range though. I really don't think he could have AA or KK and I'm not sure he plays AQ that way and surely not KQ.

His most likely hands is a strong draw and once in a while he'll show up with a set. I couldn't get my pokerstove to do what I wanted, but if I put in what I think his range is I think calling would be slightly +EV.

Re: Results
 

in my experience a tight player doesnt play AQ/KQ like that, like ever.

so i expect a big draw most of the time and sometimes a set.

would be a tough fold to make in the heat of the battle though for sure.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

People calling with AA: wtf? I would call with 78 but not AA because with 78, 777 and 888 are a much smaller part of his handrange. Also, with aces, AQ becomes more unlikely.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

Ja,

He doesn't have AQ.

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

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People calling with AA: wtf? I would call with 78 but not AA because with 78, 777 and 888 are a much smaller part of his handrange. Also, with aces, AQ becomes more unlikely.

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This was my thought as well regarding AA (777/888 become so much more likely). I was just curious if any of the overwhelming support for a call was based on the very small likelihood of 777/888/QQQ being out.

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Ja,

He doesn't have AQ.

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Diablo,
My other point remains valid. If villain does not play AQ this way, why do you call with AA?

Re: Getting it in gooooood or bad? 25-50 NL
 

i think 777,888 very unlikely and would expect a combo heart/straight draw of some sort...i still call given image...

Re: Results
 

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in my experience a tight player doesnt play AQ/KQ like that, like ever.

so i expect a big draw most of the time and sometimes a set.

would be a tough fold to make in the heat of the battle though for sure.

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This is EXACTLY right IMHO