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Party Poker $50 NL 6-max

Villian #1 is a donkey and has about $22 in front of him.
Villain #2 has just about $50.

Villain #1 is a complete short stack donkey.
Villain #2 is unremarkable (doesnt play too well nor too poorly).

Hero has both covered.

Hero raises to 4xbb UTG with Qs Qc.

Villain #1 is UTG+1 calls as does Villain #2 who is the button.

Flop is Td 9s 3s.

Hero bets out pot (~$6). Villain #1 pushes for $18 total. Villain #2 cold calls the push.

What should the hero do? Does it depend on what Villain #1 has?

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Party Poker $50 NL 6-max

Villian #1 is a donkey and has about $22 in front of him.
Villain #2 has just about $50.

Villain #1 is a complete short stack donkey.
Villain #2 is unremarkable (doesnt play too well nor too poorly).

Hero has both covered.

Hero raises to 4xbb UTG with Qs Qc.

Villain #1 is UTG+1 calls as does Villain #2 who is the button.

Flop is Td 9s 3s.

Hero bets out pot (~$6). Villain #1 pushes for $18 total. Villain #2 cold calls the push.

What should the hero do? Does it depend on what Villain #1 has?

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based on your reads you should get it all in there.

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Im calling, i dont think villan #2 would slow play AA/KK pf, and set seems a little unlikely but i dont think you see it enough to make this call incorrect. But an unknown villan cold calls an overbet allin, im still a little sick when i click the call button.

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I'm folding. The best case scenario for you here is that one of them has JJ or Tx and the other is on some sort of draw. It seems unlikely that both of them would present that perfect scenario enough for this to be long term +EV.

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How can you call? The pot will be bigger than Villain #2's stack on the turn.

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I'm folding. The best case scenario for you here is that one of them has JJ or Tx and the other is on some sort of draw. It seems unlikely that both of them would present that perfect scenario enough for this to be long term +EV.

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hmm.. keep forgetting about the 3rd person in the pot.

so you're saying the majority of the time he'll be behind, so the call would not be profitable in the long run enough to warrant it?

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sorry by calling i meant pushing all-in.

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I'm folding. The best case scenario for you here is that one of them has JJ or Tx and the other is on some sort of draw. It seems unlikely that both of them would present that perfect scenario enough for this to be long term +EV.

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hmm.. keep forgetting about the 3rd person in the pot.

so you're saying the majority of the time he'll be behind, so the call would not be profitable in the long run enough to warrant it?

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Well, you have a UTG raiser, two callers, a pot sized bet on the flop and a push and a call with the inital per-flop raiser and flop bettor yet to act. Is it concievable that hero is ahead some of the time here? Yes. Long term, unlikely.

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dude, you must be tired. read the original post.

hero is the preflop raiser with QQ. hero leads out by betting pot on the flop . . . .

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explain further. what would v1 nead to have, and what would v2 need to have for a push to be correct?