Some Offsuit hand Winrates
 

I want to gather some stats on a few hands: K9o, Q9o, J9o, T9o. After I get sufficient responses I will post a reply with a weighted average of everyone's results. I want just the overall winrate with the hand, and only from 6 max statistics (you can combine all your 6 max levels). I also want the number of times you've had each hand. Thanks to everyone who takes the time to contribute.

K9o: 1677 times, -0.08 bb/hand
Q9o: 1708 times, -0.07 bb/hand
J9o: 1721 times, -0.06 bb/hand
T9o: 1678 times, -0.05 bb/hand

Re: Some Offsuit hand Winrates
 

What about KTo,QTo

Re: Some Offsuit hand Winrates
 

Hi Soko,

Ideally I'd like composite statistics on every hand. I am just starting off with 4 marginal ones to make it manageable for people to post a reply.

Re: Some Offsuit hand Winrates
 

K9o: 1426 times, -0.06 bb/hand
Q9o: 1408 times, -0.03 bb/hand
J9o: 1408 times, -0.09 bb/hand
T9o: 1402 times, -0.07 bb/hand

Re: Some Offsuit hand Winrates
 

10/20 6max: 117k hands

K9o : 1044 times, -.06 bb/hand
Q9o: 1064 times, -.06 bb/hand
J9o : 1083 times, -.05 bb/hand
T9o : 1041 times, -.01 bb/hand

5/10 6max: 144k hands

K9o: 1271 times, -.01 bb/hand
Q9o: 1310 times, -.01 bb/hand
J9o : 1295 times, -.10 bb/hand
t9o : 1316 times, -.06 bb/hand

I don't have time to combine those. So you can just use these as two seperate data sets if you want.

-Dave

Re: Some Offsuit hand Winrates
 

Hmm, it seems like you might want to have hands played outside of the blinds. If you include the times you have to pay .5 BB while on the BB, it makes the results harder to interpret IMO. If you only have the times people voluntarily play those hands, you will be able to see if people are overrating these hands, and playing them in EV- situations.

Re: Some Offsuit hand Winrates
 

you need to filter so that the blinds are not included. otherwise, all the hands you defend with have a -.5bb or -.25bb winrate to begin with. this is very important.

here are my stats filtered "not a blind"
k10 .21
k9 (.03)
k8 .21

qj .22
q10 .18
q9 (.01)
q8 .01

j10 .20
j9 (.05)
j8 0.0

109 .01
108 .03

Re: Some Offsuit hand Winrates
 

Hi Spicymoose,

You are right. I would have gained more info by asking people to post their winrates with each of those hands a.) out of the blinds and b.) in the blinds. I decided to keep it at overall winrate however, because

1. It's less work for the people replying. I didn't want to turn people off and would rather have tons of overall data then a few responses that are detailed. Having said that, any poster who wants to provide just their winrate on the button with those hands is more than welcome to. Go to the 'Position Stats' tab in PT to find this info (General Info won't combine your selected limits for position stats if you have more than one selected).

2. Overall winrate is correlated to playability outside the blinds. A hand that is playable for a steal on the button will do better in the big blind than a hand that is not playable for a steal.

Stats on the button:

K9o: 335 times, 0.03 bb/hand
Q9o: 329 times, 0.06 bb/hand
J9o: 310 times, -0.01 bb/hand
T9o: 312 times, -0.02 bb/hand

Re: Some Offsuit hand Winrates
 

Hi Victor,

Can you post the number of times you've had each hand? Just K9o, Q9o, J9o, and T9o is enough for now, and your overall winrate including the blinds for each of those. To combine everyone's samples I need everyone to post the same stat. I am ok with overall winrate for now since this gives me some good information. I can make a future post asking for non-blind or positional stats.

-v

Temp Results
 

I have samples from 3 people so far. We need many more for these numbers to be meaningful.

The results so far are:

***WINRATES FOR VARIOUS HANDS FOR 2+2ERS IN 6 MAX GAMES***

Hand #Times WINRATE(bb/hand)

K9o 5418 -0.05
Q9o 5490 -0.04
J9o 5507 -0.08
T9o 5437 -0.05