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12-22-2005 06:04 PM

Weak-tight KK line?
 
Party 2/4, villain is unknown, new to the table.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

12-22-2005 06:11 PM

Re: Weak-tight KK line?
 
The pot is small so I'm ok with folding the turn. Without reads I play it just the same.

@bsolute_luck 12-22-2005 06:19 PM

Re: Weak-tight KK line?
 
i just fold to the flop c/r without a read.

DCWildcat 12-22-2005 06:20 PM

Re: Weak-tight KK line?
 
Not having reads means this is expensive to take to showdown. I doubt he's c/ring with a lone 7, and there's no reason to see a turn. Might as well fold now.

12-22-2005 06:22 PM

Re: Weak-tight KK line?
 
why do you think BB is c/raising the flop?

12-22-2005 06:38 PM

Re: Weak-tight KK line?
 
I think it looks good to me.

DCWildcat 12-22-2005 06:39 PM

Re: Weak-tight KK line?
 
What's our rationale for seeing a turn, and then folding? I'm not saying it's wrong, but we need an argument for it.

Fryguy 12-22-2005 06:52 PM

Re: Weak-tight KK line?
 
Calling this flop is wasting .5 bb IMO. If you think you have the best hand and/or he's on a bluff, 3-bet. Otherwise just fold the flop. Peeling for a K is a huge waste of money.

12-22-2005 07:15 PM

Re: Weak-tight KK line?
 
[ QUOTE ]
What's our rationale for seeing a turn, and then folding? I'm not saying it's wrong, but we need an argument for it.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well, I guess my rationale in this case was that I sometimes choose to call 1 sb back to me for metagame purposes. If I'm new to a game or I've folded a couple of hands to aggression, then I don't really want some of the brighter players to think they can always push me out/around. I'll have to do some PT review and see if I'm leaking too much here. My guess is I'm sometimes choosing the wrong time to peel 1 off for 1 more SB.

Would like to see a bit bigger pot and I guess a BDFD/BDSD so I'm not drawing to just 2 outs. So on a second review, folding on the flop to the c/r makes the most sense in this case, can't see that he'd c/r without at least an Ace.

cold_cash 12-22-2005 08:38 PM

Re: Weak-tight KK line?
 
In the Party 2/4, I would say there's at least a 50% chance he has two clubs.


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