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i guess the pro bowl selection show isn't on till 4, but bengals.com already has a story about which bengals are going to hawaii...

chad johnson, carson palmer, willie anderson, deltha o'neal and shayne graham

which players from your team are going? (i don't feel like going to all 31 sites and finding out)

p.s. who dey.

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I vote for just putting the entire bears defense as the starters for the nfc. who's with me?

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I'm 99.9% certain Joey Harrington, Charles Rogers, Kevin Jones, and Dre Bly will be on the NFC team.

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Shameful. Only 6 Bears going to the pro-bowl. Bears pro-bowl

wtf no alex brown?

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I vote for just putting the entire bears defense as the starters for the nfc. who's with me?

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Let's give that D the Giants bookends. Other than that, I probably agree.

ScottieK

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I vote for just putting the entire bears defense with the addition of one decidedly badass nigerian as the starters for the nfc. who's with me?

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yes

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do you guys actually watch this game?

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do you guys actually watch this game?

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no.

but i do like knowing who's going

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I check it out for a couple of minutes. It's nice to have some players from your team selected.

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Heres a list of who is known so far. Took it from the Bills Message Board.


For the AFC:
Quarterback - Carson Palmer
Right Tackle - Willie Anderson Cinci
Wide Receiver - Chad Johnson Cinci, Rod Smith Den
Middle Linebacker - Al Wilson Den
Cornerback - Deltha O'Neal Cinci, Champ Bailey Den, Ty Law NYJ
Strong Saftey - John Lynch Den
Kicker - Shayne Graham


For the NFC:
Left Tackle - Chris Samuels Wash, Orlando Pace StL
Center - Olin Kreutz Chi
Running Back - Tiki Barber NYG
Wide Receiver - Santana Moss Wash, Torry Holt StL
Tight End - Jeremy Shockey NYG
Defensive End - Michael Strahan NYG, Osi Umenyiora NYG
Defensive Tackle - Tommie Harris Chi
Middle Linebacker - Jeremiah Trotter Philly, Brian Urlacher Chi
Outside Linebacker - Derrick Brooks TB, Lance Briggs Chi
Cornerback - Ronde Barber TB, Nathan Vasher Chi
Strong Saftey - Mike Brown
Punter - Josh Bidwell TB
Special Teams - David Tyree NYG


Edited to add the Bears players.

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do you guys actually watch this game?

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no.

but i do like knowing who's going

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I never understood people like this...

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Ty Law is going from the Jets. Although I'm not sure why.

If anyone from the Jets deserves to go its Vilma or maybe Abraham.

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Ty Law is going from the Jets. Although I'm not sure why.

If anyone from the Jets deserves to go its Vilma or maybe Abraham.

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Because he's Ty Law. Did you see him miss Tomlinson by three feet when Tomlinson juked him out of his jockstrap?

ScottieK

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Because he's Ty Law. Did you see him miss Tomlinson by three feet when Tomlinson juked him out of his jockstrap?

ScottieK

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Unfortunately.

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QB's
Manning
Palmer
Brady

RB's
Edge James
Larry Johnson
Ladanian Tomlinson

TE
Gates and Gonzales

FB Lorenzo Neal
KR Jerome Mathis
PK Shayne Graham
P Brian Moorman

DE
Jason Taylor
Derrick Burgess
Dwight Freeney

DT
Richard Seymore
Marcus Stroud
Jamal Williams

OLB
Shawne Merriman
Cato June
Joey Porter

ILB
Zach Thomas
Al Wilson

CB
Deltha O'neal
Champ Bailey
Ty Law

Safety
Bob Sander
John Lynch
Troy Palamalu

NFC

QB: Vick, Hasselbeck, Delhomme
RB: Alexander, Barber, Dunn
WR: S.Smith, Holt, S.Moss, Fitzgerald
TE: Shockey, Crumpler
OLINE: Bentley, Kreutz, Hutchison, L.Allen, Wahle, W.Jones, Pace, Samuels
FB: Strong
K: Rackers
P: Bidwell
KR: K.Robinson
ST: Tyreee
DE: Strahan, Umenyiora, Peppers
DT: Rogers, Coleman, Harris
OLB: Briggs, Brooks, Brooking
ILB: Trotter, Urlacher
CB: Barber, Hall, Vasher
S: Sharper, R.Williams, M.Brown

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I vote for just putting the entire bears defense as the starters for the nfc. who's with me?

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I"m with you. Final score: Vilma 345, Bears 0.

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WTF?! his numbers were AWFUL this year

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Vick??? agghhhh

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do you guys actually watch this game?

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no.

but i do like knowing who's going

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I never understood people like this...

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why? the game is boring

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Vick??? agghhhh

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Wait, Al Wilson? Over Vilma? Umm...

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which players from your team are going?

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Sweet, SD had 6 pro bowlers:

RB LaDainian Tomlinson
FB Lorenzo Neal
TE Antonio Gates
DT Jamal Williams
OLB Shawne Merriman
Special teamer Hanik Milligan

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Finally Jeff Saturday gets to go.

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Shameful. Only 6 Bears going to the pro-bowl. Bears pro-bowl

wtf no alex brown?

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Yes. Alex Brown definitely should be going.

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Finally Jeff Saturday gets to go.

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Yeah, good to see that. Tarik Glenn got jobbed...

From the Indy Star
"The NFL initially informed the Colts early today that offensive tackle Tarik Glenn had been selected for a second straight trip to Honolulu, where the game will be held Feb. 12. However, league officials discovered a computer error that resulted in Glenn instead being a first alternate."

Saw it discussed on NFL Live... Dungy was more pissed then I'd ever seen. I wonder what will come of it.

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Shameful. Only 6 Bears going to the pro-bowl. Bears pro-bowl

wtf no alex brown?

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Patriots haven't had more than 3 or 4 Pro Bowlers annually, over the recent Super Bowl run.

seems to have worked out ok for them.

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The Seattle Seahawks have 5 players, all on offense

Shaun Alexander
Matt Hasselbeck
Walter Jones
Mack Strong
Steve Hutchinson

They also have 3 alternates:

Lofa Tatupu
Robbie Tobek
Josh Brown

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I know the Jets stink this year but how in the world can you not give Jonathan Vilma an invite? He won ROY last year and now he leads the NFL in tackles.

Al Wilson? Are you kidding me? This guy has less than a hundred tackles. Erik Coleman the starting safety for the Jets has more tackles!

And I know you can argue Vilma leads the league on because the Jets offense puts their defense on the field wayyyy too much but I mean c'mon.

Surely someone agrees with me here?

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I Agree with you about Vilma, however this is not voted on by people who know a lot about football it is voted on by random fans, so it's irrelevant.
Also if Vilma made than a Broncos fan would be complaing about Al Wilson
If Alex Brown made it a Giants fan would be complaing about Osi not making it, etc.
Often there are close battles and whoeever loses becomes a huge snub, and who ever wins becomes a mediocre player who shouldn't have made the team.

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Brian Moorman is a great punter, but it's apt that he's the only Bill going. Pretty much sums up the season. I say this every year, but there's always next year...

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WTF?! his numbers were AWFUL this year

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Would rather have Heap. Gonzalez is getting the veteran HOF vote.

ScottieK

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I know the Jets stink this year but how in the world can you not give Jonathan Vilma an invite? He won ROY last year and now he leads the NFL in tackles.

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The Tackles stat is misleading. Vilma is having a good season and may have deserved to go to the Pro Bowl, but he leads the league in tackles because he's the MLB on a team that's always playing from behind and has a D-line built to rush the passer, so he has a ton of opportunities. If Wilson and Vilma switched teams, they'd probably switch tackle totals, as well.

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I know the Jets stink this year but how in the world can you not give Jonathan Vilma an invite? He won ROY last year and now he leads the NFL in tackles.

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The Tackles stat is misleading. Vilma is having a good season and may have deserved to go to the Pro Bowl, but he leads the league in tackles because he's the MLB on a team that's always playing from behind and has a D-line built to rush the passer, so he has a ton of opportunities. If Wilson and Vilma switched teams, they'd probably switch tackle totals, as well.

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Please. Of course tackle stats can be misleading, but to suggest that a 145-67 difference is simply the result of their respective systems and situtations is ridiculous.

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Please. Of course tackle stats can be misleading, but to suggest that a 145-67 difference is simply the result of their respective systems and situtations is ridiculous.

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Normally you'd be right, but this is an extreme case. The Broncos have defended against 307 runs, fewest in the NFL. The Jets have defended against 474 runs, most in the NFL. Moreover, the Jets face an unusually large number of runs up the middle, since they have two good DEs (Abraham and Ellis) and are usually facing an offense that's trying to grind the clock. For the same reason, a larger percentage of the passes they face are likely to be short ones that are often stopped by the LB corps, while Denver must have faced a higher percentage of downfield passes as they are usually playing from ahead.

In this circumstance, I think a 78 tackle difference can certainly be explained by situation and system.

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So since tackles (which aren't an official NFL stat) weren't used to select Al Wilson, why is he on the team instead of Vilma?

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::Shrug::

Probably better name recognition, and being on a better team.