slowplay 200NL
 

did I donk this?

Reads: Villian is very aggro.

I was hoping flush wouldn't come on river and he would either push or I could push with my "missed draw"

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Hero ($208.20)
MP2 ($170.40)
MP3 ($453.25)
CO ($199.90)
Button ($168.75)
SB ($460.65)
BB ($321.50)
UTG ($205.60)
UTG+1 ($36)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $7</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $6, MP3 calls $6.

Flop: ($28) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $27</font>, Hero calls $27, MP3 folds.

Turn: ($82) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $55</font>, Hero calls $55.

River: ($192) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero calls $118.20 (All-In).

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

I don't actually mind the call on the flop so much, but you're seriously gotta push the turn, it's significantly less than a pot size raise. Why let the draw hit so he can possibly get away?

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

let me be very clear. this was NOT a situation to slowplay.
You can ONLY slowplay when the next street might bring your opponent a card that will leave him with the second best hand.

For example, let's say you have Ks, Kh and the flop comes Kd, 3s, 8c. This MIGHT be a good time to slow play. It is very unlikely that the turn will bring a card that will put you behind.

In your case, however, there are a number of cards that can come on the turn and destroy your hand (a pairing of the board, or a diamond).

You HAVE to reraise this flop. I'd made it $75-$100 to go. (Hopefully he calls/pushes with an overpair).

If you slowplay this hand, you run a serious risk. Instead of winning a moderately sized pot, you can lose a huge one. RAISE RAISE RAISE.

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

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I don't actually mind the call on the flop so much, but you're seriously gotta push the turn, it's significantly less than a pot size raise. Why let the draw hit so he can possibly get away?

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Re: slowplay 200NL
 

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You can ONLY slowplay when the next street might bring your opponent a card that will leave him with the second best hand.

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Wrong.

You can also slowplay when your opponent is likely to be drawing very slim, but will keep betting anyway.

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

I see 2 cards that would make me a lose a huge pot on the river.

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

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I don't actually mind the call on the flop so much, but you're seriously gotta push the turn, it's significantly less than a pot size raise. Why let the draw hit so he can possibly get away?

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yup, you nailed it. Thats what I figured. Just double checking.

I have a new rule I am going to do. When I flop the best hand I will ALWAYS either valuebet/raise (85%) or Checkraise turn (15%).

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

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I have a new rule I am going to do. When I flop the best hand I will ALWAYS either valuebet/raise (85%) or Checkraise turn (15%).

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Rules with this word in them usually suck.

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

the reason not to slowplay this hand isn't because he's scared to lose the pot...it's because like half the deck will kill his action on the turn.

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

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I have a new rule I am going to do. When I flop the best hand I will ALWAYS either valuebet/raise (85%) or Checkraise turn (15%).

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Rules with this word in them usually suck.

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OK, unless I feel villian is on a 100% bluff and will try to steal river I will ALWAYS do that. Maybe I need to think more, but I can't think fo any situations that this isin't a good idea.

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

Yes, very slim indeed. If you are confident that your opponent will bet on the next round and has only a few outs to beat you, a slowplay is feasible.

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

Typically, I like to call flop and raise turn, probably at that point a push.

With this hand I would raise the flop actually, because it really looks like SB's got a hand he's trying to protect.

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Yes, very slim indeed. If you are confident that your opponent will bet on the next round and has only a few outs to beat you, a slowplay is feasible.

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Did u just say "this is NOT a situation to slowplay" then see Big Jim's post and tell me to Slowplay?

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

Calling the flop then pushing the turn isnt necessarily a "slowplay". ITs a good play that has more variance and gains another PSB out of an overpair. Against a tight raiser its good too. A loose raiser and Im repopping the flop.

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Calling the flop then pushing the turn isnt necessarily a "slowplay".

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Calling the flop with the nuts ISNT a slowplay? I think pushing the turn is the best play, but its still a slowplay.

Re: slowplay 200NL
 

Raise this flop. Waiting til the turn to raise not only makes your hand look like an urban monster, but it also could very well screw you by bringing a scare card that makes your opponent [censored] his drawers.