Totalbet and UKbetting poker (crypto) are scum
 

They advertised with a november sunday promotion at their £ tables: Any 2 dealt aces and you win a 25£ bonus every sunday in november. Max 2 claims per promotion.

Today, without notice they had changed "any 2 aces" to "2 RED aces", next sunday to "2 BLACK aces". In other words they are giving away 1/6 of the "fantastic promotion" bonuses advertised.

Maybe they were hit hard last sunday, but then they are idiots that can't calculate odds.

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they not change their advertised promotions last monday?

seems like they were hit hard last week and they are dumb for not realising that they would be but they did give almmost a weeks notice

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they are 'scum' how?

how exactly have they defrauded you or cost you money?

the AA promo is a bonus on top of the easiest bonus to release on the net - £25 for 5 hrs table play

they honored the any AA bonus last weekend despite being hit hard by whores like you who had probably never even heard of the site before and then gave everyone a week's notice that it would run under the altered terms for the rest of the month

none of this has cost you time or money - they may have understimated how hard the whores would hit, but that hardly makes them 'scum' - just play your 5 hrs and pocket at least $45 - and hope and for some red or black aces on top -assuming you can manage to get out or your 'whaaaambulance' long enough to play break even of course.. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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Dude, if you ever reach 1/10 of what I have earned at poker you can call yourself successfull. Do your homework before opening your big mouth.

And I know that "business before honor" is the american way (in this case the english way as well), but for "us" that are use to our society not allowing "scums" to change the terms of a promotion (that's right, over here if the casino is dumb enough to make a mistake, they have to pay for it) such actions seem unreal. The same way if you have a shop and you put an add in the paper advertising with a price and refuse to sell the item for that amount (no excuse is good enough), you just complain to the state and the "scum" is forced to oblige.

It's called "consumer protection".

Have a nive day!

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Dude, if you ever reach 1/10 of what I have earned at poker you can call yourself successfull. Do your homework before opening your big mouth.

And I know that "business before honor" is the american way (in this case the english way as well), but for "us" that are use to our society not allowing "scums" to change the terms of a promotion (that's right, over here if the casino is dumb enough to make a mistake, they have to pay for it) such actions seem unreal. The same way if you have a shop and you put an add in the paper advertising with a price and refuse to sell the item for that amount (no excuse is good enough), you just complain to the state and the "scum" is forced to oblige.

It's called "consumer protection".

Have a nive day!

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They did pay for their mistake, realized it was not viable and changed it for coming weeks. How on earth this is unfair is beyond me. If you don't like the current conditions, don't play there. I suppose you haven't spent time generating rake for them during the week to actually make them think such a promotion is a good idea in the long run?

Many bonuswhores have a distorted sense of entitlement.

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Ok lets take it one more time from scratch.

- They run a 4-day promotion.
- After the first day, they change the terms of the promotion to one that is much more favorable to them.
- We assume it is because they lost money the first day, we don't really know.
- People that have no idea they have changed the promotion keep playing other sundays during november (that is good for them, not for the dummys that have no idea they won't be getting their money)

Are you starting to have an idea why this kind of thing shouldn't be permitted? if not, don't quit your day job or try desperately to find one....

Sometimes, I really wonder.....

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I understood the sequence of events from your first post, you know. I just don't find it upsetting or think they are scum. They are not a welfare institution, they are a business. Them making decisions that make business sense shouldn't come as a shock to you.

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I understood the sequence of events from your first post, you know. I just don't find it upsetting or think they are scum. They are not a welfare institution, they are a business. Them making decisions that make business sense shouldn't come as a shock to you.

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That their decision makes business sense doesn't change the fact they changed their T&C DURING the promotion.

I wouldn't go as far as calling them scum tho.

They are bastards.

BTW, does being a bonus whore make some of you guys feel bad or something? Even if you are a very successful online poker pro what you make a year is still pocket change for a poker site. So, wake up.

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Once again and for the last time. Business means obligation to keep your word. At least in the world I live. You semm to live in a different one and if you like it good for you. I think it's wrong to change the terms of a promotion, especially when you might earn from it in the short time (while knowing that because gambler's have an addiction problem, they can be screwed every day and they will keep showing up).

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You are obviously intelligent enough to realise that you have no legal recourse against them. There is no contract and I bet in the TOS small print they reserve the right to amend/withdraw the promo at any time.

So what you are complaining about is a moral issue. They made a mistake, you took advantage of that for one day (was it the only day you've played at their site btw?) and then they close the loophole for weeks 2-4.

What would make them 'scum' is if they had let you play then retrospectively failed to honor the bonus. They just corrected a mistake and gave at least 6 days advance warning of the change - it is far from clear that the bonus whore's position here is in any way morally superior to the site's.

Most adults just commented 'well it was too good to last, I bet the bonus whores hit em real hard'. You on the other hand getinto your 'waaambulance' and vastly overstate the issue.

What about the site a couple of weeks ago who cancelled a guaranteed payment rebuy MTT coz their rebuy software got stuck after 30 minutes and it became a de facto freezeout (they just returned the entry fee rather than sharing the guaranteed payout between those left) - now there you have a much stronger case from an ethical viewpoint.

And if you're as good as you claim, then what on earth are you worrying about such tiny bonuses for anyway?

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Once again and for the last time. Business means obligation to keep your word. At least in the world I live. You semm to live in a different one and if you like it good for you. I think it's wrong to change the terms of a promotion, especially when you might earn from it in the short time (while knowing that because gambler's have an addiction problem, they can be screwed every day and they will keep showing up).

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They did keep their word. Everyone who got two aces the first sunday got paid, right? And everyone who get two red aces today will get paid, right?

You think its wrong to change the rules of a promotion because it makes it harder for you to do a hit and run on this site. Which by the way is probably why they changed it in the first place. Karma is a bitch.

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When they begun their promotion, they sent an e-mail to all their customers. That is like 20 minuttes work and 1 push in the "enter button".
When they decided to alter the promotion, they just changed "any 2 aces" to "2red aces" the page on the website (which not many visit more than once, even if I could admit that it is a mistake not to check every day what you are getting into).
There was no e-mail this time (about 5 minutes work and still 1 lonely push on the "enter" button).

Had I got an email, telling me, sorry, but we were very stupid last time and we can't keep our word, therefor we change the promotion to something that will reward 1/6 of what we promissed, I would have laughed at them and moved on.
What irritates me, is that not only me, but a bunch of other players are suddenly sitting at their tables not knowing that the bonus terms have been changed, because the site knows that this is going to happen and that they will earn from it. Of course they are allowed to alter their stupid promotion, and they can always say that one could read about it at this or that page (notice again that it does not say "we have changed the promotion", it just says something else as if nothing ever had ocurred) but they do it in a way so they catch as many ignorant players as possible.

And yes, it is a moral issue, and you can be a scum also from a moral point of view.
As I said before, I understand they were probably hitten hard, but I and others, just received a mail telling us "come and play because we are offering this and that" I cannot see what the fact of me playing there or not at other occasions has to do with anything. They asked me to come, and I fulfilled my part of the deal.

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They did keep their word. Everyone who got two aces the first sunday got paid, right? And everyone who get two red aces today will get paid, right?

So if you get a job that pays 3000$ a month, get paid the first month and then a week into the second month you find out that they have posted a small notice in some far dark office saying that from month 2 you only earn 500$ it's ok?
They also kept their word the first month...


You think its wrong to change the rules of a promotion because it makes it harder for you to do a hit and run on this site. Which by the way is probably why they changed it in the first place. Karma is a bitch.

I would like to know hot the fact that I play where I want, under the conditions I chose and for how long or how expensive I decide has anything to do with the issue here?

When you one day have climbed from 0.02/0.04/ to 300/600 (which is probably never going to happen by only playing poker, but that is another story) and begin eating steak at every meal, are you never going to eat a burger again in your life? Good luck to you....

It seems that some (not to say most) of you, when they cannot find arguments for the real issue, try to focus on whatever minor detail you think will affect the OP.

Maybe I was letting my kids play the bonus, was teaching a friend, maybe I have 12 accounts at each site and then it is a larger amount of money, maybe, maybe... whatever is the right answer, it concerns only me and has nothing to do with the issue in this thread.

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So if you get a job that pays 3000$ a month, get paid the first month and then a week into the second month you find out that they have posted a small notice in some far dark office saying that from month 2 you only earn 500$ it's ok?
They also kept their word the first month...

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When you are employed you have a contract that you can enforce in a court of law. When it comes to this promotion, the deal is the current requirements. Anyone who bonuswhore should know that you always check the T&C before doing it because the terms change often.

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I would like to know hot the fact that I play where I want, under the conditions I chose and for how long or how expensive I decide has anything to do with the issue here?

When you one day have climbed from 0.02/0.04/ to 300/600 (which is probably never going to happen by only playing poker, but that is another story) and begin eating steak at every meal, are you never going to eat a burger again in your life? Good luck to you....

It seems that some (not to say most) of you, when they cannot find arguments for the real issue, try to focus on whatever minor detail you think will affect the OP.

Maybe I was letting my kids play the bonus, was teaching a friend, maybe I have 12 accounts at each site and then it is a larger amount of money, maybe, maybe... whatever is the right answer, it concerns only me and has nothing to do with the issue in this thread.

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If you only bonuswhore a site, how can you act surprised when they change the terms in response to extensive bonus whoring? You've made your binary bed here.

Basically your argument is: "This pokerroom had a promotion that cost them a lot of money, why don't they continue with it?". And the answer is in the question.

And if you were letting your kids play the bonus, were teaching a friend or was using 12 accounts at each site, I don't see how these changes have made any of these impossible.

I agree that they could have sent out of a mail informing you of the changes, but that they didn't hardly makes them scum.

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When you are employed you have a contract that you can enforce in a court of law.

There is the problem, we are in lawless land.


Basically your argument is: "This pokerroom had a promotion that cost them a lot of money, why don't they continue with it?". And the answer is in the question.

Well, I believe that the answer should be that they are not allowed to pull out, especially if they are going to mislead a lot of players by doing it.


I agree that they could have sent out of a mail informing you of the changes, but that they didn't hardly makes them scum
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Ok, I agree that scum is a strong word, but in my defense, english is not my first language and my temper takes over sometimes.... (only sometimes I said) [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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This is why I stopped whoring and just play at a few sites. BWs are a lowly bunch (and I should know I was one o the biggest ones).

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I checked my emails from totalbet and you are right (I thought I had seen one about he change but that turned out to be the red queens midweek promo).

I did of course hear about the change on the Internet Bonuses forum on Monday/Tuesday, but if you genuinely sat down not knowing it had been changed, hit mixed aces and then found out they changed it, then yes I agree, you have a right to feel aggreived.

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Many bonuswhores have a distorted sense of entitlement.


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This is why I stopped whoring and just play at a few sites. BWs are a lowly bunch (and I should know I was one o the biggest ones).

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Yeah, I agree. Also people that shop at Sams Club are a bunch of tight ass anti capitalists. I should know, I spent enough on low markup items to bankrupt capitalism. Now I shop only at Saks, full retail. I feel like more of an American now.

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Are you seriously complaining?

we all knew the bonus was too good to be true and figured it would be rescinded. I got an extra 100 pounds last Sunday. How can I be upset with that?

I also was lucky enough to get red aces today while clearing the extra 50 pounds these sites give me every month for only 10 hours of play.

These sites are awesome and I'm very grateful for any *bonus* above my ordinary play at such generous terms.

Re: Totalbet and UKbetting poker (crypto) are scum
 

Well thanks for ruining my day guys. I didnt know that they changed the promotion.
Last week AA 1 time
This week AA 8 times both red 0.
crap!

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william, if you ever make 1/10 of what I MAKE then you....LOL, dude, no matter what you make, someone is going to laugh at that and makes WAY MORE!!!

As far as the promotion goes, they gave you plenty of time, quit whining like a little girl.

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I still havent been paid on one of them. Even after numerous emails. Ive already doubled the payout for the first one, and if things continue, I will take out the rest of my frustration on the players.

But honestly, this sort of thing happens all the time in Bonus Whores Land. Sites realize what an insane level of +EV they are offering, and jump ship midstream. It's a hazzard of the job, and you cant make them change and you cant make them apologize. Its an apples to oranges comparison on every level imaginable with regards to real life so you just need to cope.

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The same way if you have a shop and you put an add in the paper advertising with a price and refuse to sell the item for that amount (no excuse is good enough), you just complain to the state and the "scum" is forced to oblige.


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Hate to break it to you - but you are wrong. In the UK ( and as far as I know other common law countries), the advertisement of a price is an "invitation to tender" and not an "offer for sale". You make the offer by requesting the goods and the transaction is completed when the shop takes your cash. You gong up to the counter with your wallet open does not constitute a legally binding contract on the shopkeeper. Thus, if a shop mistakenly advertises a TV for £100 when it should have been £1000 it has no legal obligation whatsoever to honour that price. Where the differential is small a shop may choose to honour the wrtong price as a goodwill gesture.

Another example is advertising a car for sale. If I put it in for £10,000 and someone comes along to buy it, I am under no obligation to sell it for £10,000 or even at all. I could ask for more.

In any event, the TOCs undoubtedly say that they can do whatever they want, including changing or stopping the bonus. And it is a bit rich for a whore to be talking about "honour". These bonuses are intended to grow a player base long term as you well know and not to fund players who will leave after the bonus is worked off. Thus, although you are doing nothing legally wrong (and good luck to you), you certainly don't have the right to take the moral highground.

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Well, I also hate to break it to you back, but I was refering to the laws in Denmark (and I am quite certain it is the same in other scandinavian countries), but even if you advertise by mistake, you are obligated to sell at that price. There are numerous cases of this in the papers every month.

In the UK, I (obviously) know it is not the case. I am sorry for you you have to live there.